• absGeekNZ@lemmy.nzEnglish
    4·
    3 hours ago

    So now there will finally be wage equality. All the previous males will be getting a 23% pay cut.

  • double_quack@lemm.eeEnglish
    13·
    3 hours ago

    What I understand about the “intention of the text” is that:

    • XY: male.
    • XX: female.

    People who’s body or mind don’t match with their genes would then be a male or a female with one or a combination of hormonal, developmental, or psychological issues.

    • kadup@lemmy.world
      3·
      2 hours ago

      What I understand about the “intention of the text” is that:

      That’s probably the intention, but because it was written by somebody with zero academic biological experience that is also trying to cosplay as a professional writing a rigorous definition, it fails to do so.

      XY: male. XX: female.

      Would you like to hear a crazy secret? We biologists don’t use the words “gender” and “sex” separately because we feel like it, there is a major difference between the too. Want to hear something even crazier? We don’t use “XY = male!” as our definition either.

      People who’s body or mind don’t match with their genes

      Huh… where else do you think their traits come from? Their soul? Their zodiac sign? Your phenotype is nothing but your genes + regulated expression from the environment.

      then be a male or a female with one or a combination of hormonal, developmental, or psychological issues

      Are blond people just a male or female with a developmental issue in their hair’s pigmentation? Or for this specific category of human diversity you’re okay with calling them what they are rather than trying to define what wild type genomic expression is the “correct”? I mean, a person with XY chromosomes but a mutated SRY gene would develop entirely as a female, your worldview seems to imply that’s “hormonal and developmental issues!” but then I’d love to hear your views on race - or in fact, I would much rather not hear them, if they follow the same logic as your initial proposition.

      While we are here, how about the XY individuals with a working SRY gene that physically develop as male, but have certain neural activation patterns only found in women and that swear they were born in the wrong body from a very young age? Why exactly are we going to discard the biological evidence to their subjective perception, just because it makes you uncomfortable? Because if that’s the case, maybe your subjectivity makes me uncomfortable… should we start listing and denying aspects of your physiology too?

      • double_quack@lemm.eeEnglish
        03·
        2 hours ago

        Jesus Christ, chill, my dude. I was just explaining what I understand/interpret from the text and its context, not endorsing anything…

        My gosh, I am escaping from Reddit precisely because of this aggressive behavior… This is literally my first day in this platform and I get sarcasm and hostility right away.

      • double_quack@lemm.eeEnglish
        1·
        2 hours ago

        They are certainly fascinating exceptions, but I am not educated enough in the subject to have a strong opinion. I was just sharing what I interpret from the text posted.

  • Railcar8095@lemm.ee
    111·
    9 hours ago

    What if due to age, condition or procedure you don’t produce any?

    I feel even if they went with this, there could be better ways to define it.

    • LustyArgonian@lemmy.worldEnglish
      91·
      5 hours ago

      No one produces sperm at conception. No one produces sperm at birth. It’s nonsense legislation.

      • Railcar8095@lemm.ee
        2·
        4 hours ago

        Best part is, in order to prove I’m a man, I need to wank and they need to check on a lab.

        ATM my gender is Schrödinger’s

    • Crikeste@lemm.ee
      8·
      3 hours ago

      … What’s the point of commenting when you didn’t even bother to read the post?

  • Trainguyrom@reddthat.comEnglish
    81·
    10 hours ago

    I for one accept my new government assigned gender!

    Now when are they passing that government assigned discord kitten legislation?

  • fadingembers@lemmy.blahaj.zoneEnglish
    513·
    1 day ago

    It’s cool and all to dunk on their logical fallacies, but don’t think for one second that their poor wording will stop them from enacting untold violence against trans people.

  • OceanSoap@lemmy.ml
    463·
    1 day ago

    …that’s not how that works.

    Early stages of development are bipotential, which means they could develop either way, they’re not initially female.

    Around 6-7 weeks, if carrying a Y chromosome carrying the gene SRY, they develop into testes. If there are two X chromosomes, then ovaries develop.

    • DreamlandLividity@lemmy.world
      102·
      10 hours ago

      Except it is pointless to talk about any of that, since the order defines what male and female means.

      Males are those belonging at conception to the sex producing small reproductive cells (aka sperm).

      Females are those belonging at conception to the sex producing large reproductive cells (aka eggs).

      Since at conception I (and everyone else) did not produce either, I am now neither male nor female according to the new definitions.

      These posts just show that the loudest people on the left are just as scientifically illiterate as the loudest people on the right :( I mean, it’s mostly just reading with understanding they fail at, not even lacking knowledge…

      • Fungah@lemmy.world
        1·
        4 hours ago

        People too often forget that its as important to be critical of the things you believe in as well ad the things you don’t.

        You should be constantly questioning and reassessing your own beliefs.

    • Broken_Orange_Juice@lemmy.world
      51·
      11 hours ago

      But aren’t the sex chromosomes decided at the moment of conception (or even with the sperm/egg). They need to work on their bigotry, it’s frankly just basic biology. “their legal gender is their sex chromosomes upon conception”. Although that opens another can of worms for those people whose chromosomes don’t match their genitals, but I’m sure they can throw a few asterisks in there to sort that out.

    • MrMcGasion@lemmy.world
      42·
      1 day ago

      Except in cases like Swyer syndrome where even with a Y chromosome, gonads won’t develop properly and the person will develop normal female genitals instead.

      • OceanSoap@lemmy.ml
        2·
        4 hours ago

        I looked more into Swyer syndrome, and, those who have it (out of 334 million, about 4 thousand people suffer from this) and it looks like they are female. I wasn’t able to find any studies where testosterone was given over estrogen, and female sex organs and female puberty is usually developed.

        Still, even if they were in a state of in-between forever, they still wouldn’t be anything other than in between the two options. There is no third option.

  • Aeao@lemmy.world
    192·
    1 day ago

    The fem-cel community has already accepted me even though I’m a cis straight white guy who’s asexual (so voluntarily celibate) but I’m happy I can now finally check one box and accept myself as a femcel.

    • Tartas1995@discuss.tchncs.de
      4·
      12 hours ago

      But are you voluntarily celibate if you are asexual? I don’t mean it as a gatcha or something, but as a philosophical question.

      In my social circle, the asexual people seem like they would probably prefer to be non- asexual because it is easier to find a partner for life if sex is not a no-go. So clearly their asexuality is not voluntary, they just are what they are. now acting on the involuntary part of yourself, is that a voluntary action?

      (Sidenote: I am not saying that these asexual people aren’t accepting who they are, or think it is bad that they are what they are. Personally I think being pansexual is the best because you got all the options, while I seem to be straight and I am very comfortable with it and feel like I am living a comfortable and fulfilling life with my partner. So I really mean 0 hate towards asexual people or anyone else. I am just talking about the practical impaction of sexualities in our given social norm)

      • Aeao@lemmy.world
        2·
        4 hours ago

        It’s a spectrum. For example you’re friends who wish they weren’t asexual are valid and are asexual. I do not feel the same way.

        I have the ability I don’t have the desire. I actually have children. I’ve also had girlfriends suggest various things like maybe I have low testosterone. Never got checked for low t. It’s not something I’m really interested in fixing. I’d compare it to wanting crack cocaine. You don’t want it now, maybe there is a way to make you want it… Why tho? Seems like an extra complication to life. As for relationships: the ones I’ve had haven’t been great. The ones my friends have don’t seem all that great either.

        I’m good. I’ve got my books and no desire for anything more . What is there to fix? Why should I fix it if I’m already fine? Why should I make myself want more than I already have if I’m already happy? You normal people don’t seem all that happy with it, why would I want it? I’m good .

        How much time do you spend trying to get sex or a relationship? How much time would you save if you… Didn’t… And you didn’t want it? Why would you want to want something so time consuming.

        Edit: what i mean is from my view point people are basically asking “why don’t you try to create this void in your soul then Spend your entire life working on filling it… Mostly unsuccessfully, and failed attempts will be very very painful, but one day you MIGHT fill the void and you’ll be happy because that void is now filled!”

        Why the fuck would I want that. It sounds awful. You guys go right ahead tho. I’m not judging. I’m just say “nah man I’m good”

        • Tartas1995@discuss.tchncs.de
          2·
          4 hours ago

          Thanks for sharing. I totally see your point. When I was younger, the need and the availability to satisfy it really didn’t line up. Kinda sucked.

          It sounds to me like you are aromantic too. Am I catching that right? I would separate chasing a relationship from chasing sex.

          Personally I need a partner and a sex life. Wanting a teammate for life is the best thing to me. The other is just really fun to me.

          Anyway thanks for sharing! It was really interesting reading your perspective!

      • Coskii@lemmy.blahaj.zone
        2·
        11 hours ago

        Much like anything else, being asexual is a spectrum. It took me a very long time to figure out I was and that’s because I personally didn’t get any physical satisfaction out of sex, but I enjoyed the part where I made my partner absolutely melt with pleasure. Feeling romantic or emotional pleasure from sex is not uncommon, especially when coupled with someone who gets a ton of pleasure from it. That being said, I haven’t had sex in over a year, and from the way things look, I’m not going to for a very long time. I won’t say it’s voluntary though it’s definitely not because my partner doesn’t want to.

        • Tartas1995@discuss.tchncs.de
          1·
          11 hours ago

          Oh interesting 🤔 from the people that I have a more in-deph conservation, I understood that sex wasn’t enjoyable for them because they felt really uncomfortable with it which resulted in a non-satisfying experience for the partner and in turn, generated a feeling of failure to be a good partner in them.

          It is really interesting to hear different perspectives. Thanks for sharing and please anyone who wants to, share with me your thoughts and feelings on the matter!

          • Coskii@lemmy.blahaj.zone
            1·
            1 hour ago

            I would assume that there are different ‘reasons’ that cause the broader feel of asexuality. Mine is a complete apathy for the want or need of it. I can enjoy making others feel good, such as giving them a massage in a normal way. I can feel that my work towards helping them feel good is rewarding in and of itself.

            I figured out my side of things when after being with my partner for many years I was getting increasingly frustrated that while they were able to enjoy the experience for what seemed perpetual, my side of things remained the same, regardless of whatever was done. To feel the same for oral or penetrative felt like something was wrong to me so I started looking around at other types of options. I did whatever appealed to me but in the end none of it changed anything for me.

            For other people, they may have a different kind of situation where the act in any form is uncomfortable which can be a personality quirk or in some a complete lack of empathy. Something that is blocking them from experiencing what is in effect a ‘really intense massage’ that some people crave. I’m not going to try and list all the various societal/personal/learned behaviors people have about sex across the globe which may play a part in their enjoyment/need/desire for sex.

            Edit: cleaned up a small section I wasn’t happy with and I was hurrying at the end of my lunch break to try and get all the words out. And Also:

            Anecdotally, I’ve been very lucky to have moved many places and seen many things, met many people on a close enough level that knowing how often they sought sexual activity. I know some people who are obsessed with getting some, some who are relatively indifferent, and others who equate it to a smooth drink at the end of a good night. All over the place in terms of how much they focus on it.

            After realizing that I may very well be ace in my own right, other little puzzle pieces started to fit together. I was in a long distance relationship with my high-school sweetheart after high-school for about 5 years. I had no issues with lacking any kind of intimate touch, my partner needed it and despite all that cheating stigma, went ahead and found some anyways. It was important enough to them that waiting for someone to appear once every 6ish months wasn’t an option for them. I didn’t understand it then… because again, I had no issues waiting that long or longer. I would talk to them almost everyday and that was more than enough for me.

            • Tartas1995@discuss.tchncs.de
              2·
              4 hours ago

              Oh interesting! Thanks for sharing. I didn’t expect from you to be able to explain it all. I just love hearing different perspectives as it opens my eyes to aspects that I missed.

    • RBWells@lemmy.world
      2·
      5 hours ago

      I joked “welcome back to womanhood, my son” with my trans kid, but he’s ok with being chromosomally female anyway, as far as I can tell. He laughed, laws don’t change reality, and if it was reality they wouldn’t need to make the law.

  • Rentlar@lemmy.ca
    310·
    2 days ago

    Trump declares himself herself the first female President of the USA? 😳

    (Edit: Excuse me Mrs. President, I had misgendered you.)