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Someone get this asshole to get into a submarine
If only more billionaires tried to visit the Titanic.
Oh that’s dark 🤣🤣
They all say they work well under pressure after all.
That joke dives deep.
And if they have trouble surfacing they can pull themselves up by their bootstraps
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In the Black Sea.
A Titan submarine, right? We want nothing but best for dear old Elon.
Only the most “Innovative” of submersibles will do.
I don’t think anyone has ever made a submarine out of toilet paper tubes, masking tape and blu-tack. This is the peak of innovation.
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I’ve never wished a man dead, but I have read some obituaries with great pleasure
Yeah humans. Not ppl with a god complex
Alternate headline:
“Massive shitcunt threatens to destroy the actual best part of the internet to the surprise of absolutely no one”
is what they meant to say
Incidentally, do you guys remember when this fuckhead was a darling of the left?
These are strange times.
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He was a darling because he was a literally unknown person who introduced themselves with a controlled media profile who sold a way to approach the fossil fuel problem. The nice thing about the left is their views evolve rapidly to current events and Elon has been inescapable in media, so naturally he reveals his true neocon form.
The nice thing about the left is that they have some critical thinking abilities.
Made it more broad and concise for you.
i never trusted him
Incidentally, do you guys remember when this fuckhead was a darling of the left?
And when was this? I cannot remember a time when a celebrity capitalist parasite was a “darling of the left.”
I will admit there was a time when he was pushing electric cars while traditional auto manufacturers seemed to be dragging their feet. It felt like he was on the right side of a big issue and shaking things up. I think it’s important to admit when we get it wrong. And boy did I get it wrong.
It felt like he was on the right side of a big issue
No. No, he never was. Any leftist will tell you that the only solution to the car problem is public transport… not silly attempts to make individual cars more “eco-friendly.” That’s not leftism - that’s what we call “green capitalism.” And leftists have understood that loooong before Phony Stark skipped South Africa to avoid being drafted into the SADF to uphold the white supremacist state he benefited so richly from.
You’re pushing a very niche view as if it’s universal, I get why you’re doing it but you’re wrong to. There is no single solution to transport requirements and while the vast majority of leftists of course agree public transport is vital it’s not a magic solution for everything and outside the car hate bubble is very rare for anyone, even a leftwing person, to be staunchly anticar.
You might not like it but it’s reality.
Do you think you could be a little more careful in your angry smearing of conscientious objectors please?
My brother dodged the draft. He’s a theologian who spent years in exile due to his refusal to serve the corrupt apartheid government.
Give a fuck about Edolf Twitler or don’t but leave the rest of us out of this. Cunt is your problem now anyway.
Just, mind the facts while you rant if you don’t mind. Please.
Do you think you could be a little more careful in your angry smearing of conscientious objectors please?
Perhaps you need to stop smearing conscientious objectors by pretending Phony Stark was one - you might just as well pretend Donald Trump was a conscientious objector if you apply that label to Musk.
It’s out in the open now - Musk is as much a white supremacist as any National Party goon. And, like a lot of rich white kids whose families got rich off the opportunities and impoverished black labor the Apartheid-regime provided them with, Musk felt himself too entitled to actually do the dirty work himself. It was common knowledge here in South Africa at the time - the rich white kids from rich families got to opt out of the war, despite the fact thet they benefited the most from the Apartheid-regime.
It is true that some of those rich white kids actually were against the Apartheid-regime… but Musk wasn’t one of them. His blatant support for white supremacism and his enabling of right-wing ideology proves that beyond a shadow of a doubt.
Exactly. If the reason you are “conscientiously objecting” is because you’re a rich Nazi shitheel who is too much of a pussy to fight for anything yourself, no one cares because you obviously don’t have a real conscience to be conscientous with.
He is clearly fine with sending others to fight his battles for him. Can he be any more the Gen X version of Trump?
Stop posting Musk’s fucking face. This isn’t tech
I’m so tired of seeing mean gross old white men scowling all over my damn feed any time anyone shares an article.
Pretty sick of them wrecking the world, some of us will get stuck with clean/ survival because of them.
Would it be fine if they were mean gross old black men? Or mean gross young white men?
I couldn’t say because it never really happens enough to make me sick of seeing them being such shitty people it regularly makes headlines.
I’m assuming you aren’t familiar with Clarence Thomas?
I am. I didn’t say it doesn’t happen just not enough to make me sick of seeing his face. Is this a test or something am I being tested for reverse racism or something because I mentioned white men??
THIS oh gawwwd, couldn’t agree more. Tired of reading news about this guy talking unintelligent crap. Dear people, for him even negative publicity is still publicity and for us it is a waste of our attention, 1 cent of which he doesn’t deserve.
Media’s fault for covering him and the cheeto every five seconds
You’re not wrong but it’s also the people’s fault as well for engaging so much with this bullshit. I swear 90% of the internet exists simply to circle jerk about things people hate while the remaining 10% actually talks about things they like. I’ll never understand why people choose to talk so much about the things they hate, just fucking downvote and move on to something you actually like.
All publicity is good for these pieces of shit, stop feeding into the rage cycle and they wouldn’t be covered so much. Or they’d have to pay more for their coverage at the very least.
Twitter saboteur wanting to move onto sabotaging Wikipedia, the biggest reference source in the world that’s only accessible via the internet, on his crusade against truth and facts? Of course it’s tech news.
I mean the post has convinced me to donate to Wikipedia. It’s newsworthy. I hate Musk as much as you, but I can’t just stick my head in the dirt.
There’s nothing wrong with wanting to unplug from it, but don’t begrudge others for not wanting to.
He runs a social media platform of influence. It’s tech.
Don’t like it? Hide the post and move on.
I’ve been blocking these users.
Goodbye Gork.
Yeah I looked at their posts but didn’t see any muskness
Someone should tell Elon that an unprofitable website and a non-profit website are not the same thing.
Deeply unwelcome. I hate that this is even a thought that he has had.
Buying and destroying Twitter started with a joke like this.
Unless Wikipedia is a public company with fiduciary responsibilities, can’t they just say, “fuck you. No.”?
EDIT: They’re a non commercial 501©(3). They can say “fuck you. No.”
Well I’m sure glad someone looked into that. Still, I’m anxious he might try to do Bad Things™ to it. Ya know, like he does whenever he gets some idea in his head about something, and then Bad Things™ happen to it.
There’s that, and the fact that Jimmy Wales might have a reverse uno card, as he is quietly developing a free and non profit social media platform of his own called trust cafe.
Did it?
Twitter was public. Wikimedia is a 501 non-profit.
He can’t buy it.
No, I know. Still feels less than good
I completely hate how something that is a rare Bastian of maintaining free and reliable factual information for the world is just a silly game for him. It sickens me. This is the kind of cartoon character rich villain that throws money a people and shouts at them to dance for him.
bastion
Beautiful game
WHY WON’T YOU DO WHAT YOU DREAM???
I can’t! I have to keep my feet on the ground! Man I loved the fuck out of that movie as a kid
Yeah and pollute it with fascist content.
reliable
Wikipedia
It’s literally a meme how you can’t trust anything you see on there except for the most objective, undeniable facts, because you never know what page has been camped by an editor with an agenda or just a possessive streak. On anything even slightly subjective. I know there’s good editors, I know it’s a majority of them, but the problem is that the bad ones exist and so you can’t trust any given page isn’t poisoned.
Also, relatedly, the entire backend is an ever-growing morass of petty politics and tangled policies that serve mostly as a barrier to entry. They’ve been saying admin and power-editor retention is a huge problem for well over a decade, and yet they keep making it worse. At this point, the majority of their admins are from 2005, with only 10% from after 2010, because nobody bothers getting started when the prerequisites to making even a small edit can be learning the wikipedia legal system.
It is an encyclopedia. It is not a place for subjective content. Just because you keep getting your opinion edits rolled back does not mean that that’s a bad thing. A Wikipedia page SHOULD be filled only with objective facts. Again, it is an encyclopedia.
Also, you can trust that a given page is not poisoned by checking the sources yourself. They’re all right there at the bottom. Anything without a citation can be ignored but most things of substance are going to have a citation, because an encyclopedia is a place in which to collect objective facts with sources to back them up.
I didn’t say subjective content, I said content about something subjective. Wikipedia contains a wealth of “one proposed explanation for”, or “a common theory is” on any event or phenomenon, (of which many are covered). Objective reports of subjective statements. And the choice of which to use, which perspectives to include, is a form of bias. The reporting of which proposed theories for causes of historical events or meanings for literature are included, and which are left out, is a form of bias. One that cannot be seen through simply by “checking the sources”. An article written with a slant is going to include sources that agree with its viewpoint and not include sources that do not, and checking the sources is going to show you those viewpoints, and not the ones that were left out.
Also, again, there are absolutely editors who will just wordlessly revert objective, factual edits, with clear, proper citations from accepted primary sources, just because it’s their page or it doesn’t line up with how they want it to be seen. Checking the sources won’t show you that, either.
Also, again, there are absolutely editors who will just wordlessly revert objective, factual edits, with clear, proper citations from accepted primary sources…
That might be the misunderstanding. Primary sources are not directly allowed on wikipedia without very careful consideration that no analysis was done. Wikipedia article are, and should be, mostly derived from secondary sources to avoid bias. The Wikipedia page does a pretty good job of describing the guideline:
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:No_original_research
Alright, you do actually make fair points here that I hadn’t taken into consideration. I still stand by my statement but now I see that you aren’t really necessarily disagreeing with me. Guess I’m going to have to start checking the edit history as well as the sources now…
Just follow the sources then. Everything that should be credible is backed by sources, and if you can’t believe that source then ignore it , or admit your trust issues.
What is, on a controversial issue, one side is presented with sources, and the other side is not mentioned at all or given just a brief overview?
This often happens on Wikipedia, even when the editors aren’t trying to be biased. Suppose there was a dispute between the British Empire and a small tribe in South Africa. The British side of the story will have a lot of sources, most in English. The tribal side will most likely be known only to locals, with maybe some articles in Zulu and one in Dutch. How do you think the Wikipedia article will look?
To be fair, Wikipedia is trying to enact policies to address such biases, but there is still a lot of work to be done.
TIL: memes are a reliable source of information. As opposed to wikipedia
I donated to Wikipedia, today. A few bucks to a very valuable site.
Wikipedia should run a fund raiser: “Give us a billion dollars or we’ll change the name.”
Donate today or else!
$1b = Wikipedia
< $1b = W
Amazing idea
But for only $8 a month you are the only one who’s allowed to edit your site.
Nah, he’d call it X again, like literally every other company he’s tried that with.
Xpedia
HHHHHHHUUUUUURRRRRRRRRFFFGRGHF
A porn enciclopedia…
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Wikipedia is not the Achilles heel of free access to information. The Achilles heel are the sources: libraries, websites.
Consider donating to the internet archive instead or as well. If the sources are poisoned, Wikipedia just repeats bullshit. It’s secondary literature.
I’m not sure you know what Achilles heel means
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Wikipedia just summarizes the primary sources.
Wikipedia actually much prefers secondary and even tertiary sources to primary sources. They have rules against original research, and follows the guideline that “secondary or tertiary sources are needed to establish the topic’s notability and avoid novel interpretations of primary sources”. It’s only with exception that primary sources are allowed, in which the primary sources “have been reputably published may be used in Wikipedia, but only with care, because it is easy to misuse them.”
Not disagreeing with you, just a bit of nuance.
Wikipedia just summarizes the primary sources.
Technically, I think they only allow primary sources to be referenced if supported by a secondary source. They have weird and complex rules around that,
Wikipedia prefers secondary sources, but I think that is not what user Star meant by primary. Just the sources that Wikipedia itself works with.
You’re right, but what would the internet be without a little pedantry and ignoring the point of the post? :D
You don’t simply alter facts, logical reasoning and scientific standards.
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An Achilles’ heel[1] (or Achilles heel[2][3]) is a weakness in spite of overall strength, which can lead to downfall.
Source: Wikipedia
A few years ago, I set up a monthly donation. Of all things I can use for free on the internet, Wikipedia deserves it the most.
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Ive responded elsewhere in this thread, and think we are otherwise aligned against this cunt, so maybe, just maybe this is a good time to give Wikipedia one of your hard earned dollars? One dollar.
Damn, finally got me to donate to Wikipedia. Years of successful ignorance down the drain - fucking thanks Elon. GUH
Well done
Done! Never did before, but I guess the headline had the right effect.
Well done
I gave them 10, just in case
Well done
Make it monthly
I did literally in response to this.
Same
High five!
Hmm, it says I can’t donate from my region
Tax billionaires out of existence.
Of course the community driven, anarchic nature of Wikipedia is a threat to the status quo of capitalists dominating society. Musk can’t stand this, because it shows how ultra wealthy, incompetent dicktators like him are unnecessary.
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and WireMin
sorry this is not open source. Who is behind it, what is their gain and how do I trust whatever they claim in their website?
According to their FAQ: https://wiremin.org/#/FAQ
“We will release the design and/or reference code to the public when the initial version is stabilized.”
EDIT: After having fully read the FAQ, I must admit, their DHT (distributed hash table) protocol sounds very neat. Being something of a protocol geek, I’ll be the 1st to admit that I may be biased, so if a 2nd pair of knowledgeable eyes could try burst my bubble, just in case I’m missing something. I’d appreciate it. Thanks.
According to them, albeit with no documentation, source plus a firstname.lastname@gmail address as a contact. The lead developer seems to be an O’Reilly publisher of MySQL books but I can’t confirm that until I hear back from the developer.
Basically, these are some features:- “Wiremin is a protocol, not a service” - so no Terms Of Service
- No registration - the app cryptographically adds users by device, so no email, phone numbers or contact reading to recommend contacts.
- No data privacy concerns as the app is incapable of storing or collecting data,
- No ads by default; therefore none of all the related drag that comes with that.
- No central storage or processing servers - all done ‘on device’, E2EE,
- Community driven, (I’ve asked for elaboration of how this is achieved)
- No metadata tracking or leakage,
- PoW (Proof Of Work) to stop DDoS,
- Mnemonic backup of account info,
- opt-out diagnostics after crashes
- Unsend within 5 minutes…
- “Information we share” … We don’t have user information of any sort, so nothing will be shared." They go on to disclose needing to share with law enforcement info about third-party services you interact with though, like Google, Firebase or Apple push notification ids - which you can turn off
It really is quite impressive, technically & they seem to have coded themselves out of the equation as they can’t even see your password or recovery passphrase.
Be that as it may - as you rightly point out, all we need now is the source, without which, I doubt I could back it.
I’ve reached out requesting info on whether it will be full or partial source, roadmaps, transparency, funding for devs etc before downloading & trying this but it sounds fantastic - too much so, when compared to, say Discord or X.PS: My interest in this mostly academic intrigue, I don’t work for them or know them, I just found out about this a few hours ago. Most of the wording here is copypasta. I once wrote commercial protocols in the IoT space that were loosely based around early XMPP - until Google killed it. Which is why I’m so happy about the fedi existing despite the best efforts of Google.
Anyway, this protocol seems to resemble the functionality of the FOSS app Syncthing, at least on the surface. Of course with the addition of other tech. I’d love to see one or two features like this in Lemmy or Mastodon, even if I had no interest in the code. The cost of infrastructure & the need to administer it, for example, would disappear overnight.I feel like I just read a brochure for a product.
I was doing it more as a wishlist or an idea board to draw opinions from. However, as stated; as nice as it sounds, I’d rather admire the code than have the features without the code. Whoever did this though, was quite thoughtful about risks, including the - the ‘bus factor’.
As a comparison, I really liked the “Connect For Lemmy” app when I first joined up.
It has some great features, some of which are still not on Jeboa. The dev even said he’d open the source if there was interest. I gave up on waiting, uninstalled & now use Jeboa on mobile exclusively because Connect is still closed, as far as I know.
I am FOSS or nothing, if I an help it - especially in communications apps. If the source fails to materialise then I will forget this too - even if I can indulge in speculating on the methods used. There is a fair amount of skill & thought required to pull this off. The best part though, I’m hoping, is that as a protocol, it would be a great chat accompaniment to & not a replacement to Lemmy or Mastodon. Again, without the source, I can only guess.
Regardless, the fedi is young enough to be influenced by good ideas early, before it becomes too costly in time, effort & complexity, to undo or implement changes later.I am FOSS or nothing
even if I can indulge in speculating on the methods used
The only thing though is that you spend a whole lot of time/verbosity describing in detail all the good points about the product, and then just mention it’s anti-FOSS nature at the very end of your long comment.
Usually someone very pro-FOSS will mention that negative up front.
Or seek to implement those features in a free & open way; but the features have to necessitate the effort & if the features are not clarified then no effort, especially a distributed one can even begin to replicate them. What do you suppose ought to be done first when building an app - the feature request or the code?
In any case, I wrote this right at the top of the post before getting to the good stuff, so you could have stopped there if you wanted to:
“We will release the design and/or reference code to the public when the initial version is stabilized.”
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as I see it, the problem in your statement is that while you mention you’re pro-FOSS, you got overexcited by the claims of an unknown entity over technologies that you like and at the same time you have no source. Just promises. They could even be a startup that has just put all the buzzwords there while in fact on their code they don’t do anything of that and they just use a centralized server with symetric encryption and have the symmetric key stored in the code. The app will look like it works till proven that it is not. As long as they don’t want to publish their code, you getting overexcited (at least for me), is pointless.
There was an example with a startup that was doing something similar to that, not in that magnitude with a stored key, but something equally bullshit until they were exposed. Quite early in their journey. Cannot remember the name right now but there was a good analysis by a researcher. If I remember it, I will add it.
Bluesky is another alternative, whilst not decentralized, its been pretty cool over there. I also have a mastodon account though
So what’s the point? enshitification will inevitably hit them as well and then people will have to migrate again and again
I love the fediverse, but it hasn’t fully solved the migration need problem. If I open an account on an instance which I later discover I don’t like, I have to migrate for that as well.
The point as I see it is just limited to who do I want to follow, and what platforms can I use to do so? If bluesky turns to shit in a decade, but I get value out of it for that decade, maybe that’s enough for my needs.
(FWIW, I am not on bluesky)
But at least the user content doesn’t disappear into a black hole. Like what happened to parts of reddit.
I may be missing the reference here?
If I open an account on an instance which I later discover I don’t like, I have to migrate for that as well.
For Mastodon there’s a feature for transferring your account from one server to another, with its history, etc.
Oh cool, is there anything similar for lemmy?
I haven’t had to search it for lemmy, so I honestly don’t know.
It’s certainly possible. I’m giving it a shot. I prefer federated systems, as I said, I also have Mastodon
DON’T YOU THREATEN SOMETHING I ACTUALLY CARE ABOUT, FUCKER.
But seriously, I can’t imagine the fine folks at Wikimedia seeing what happened to shitter and thinking there’s any value in having him in charge.
You suck, Lonnie. Go away.
Yeah I can’t wait to read all articles with facts replaced by Republican fantasy. Trump actually won the last election with 99% votes? Oh it must be true then.
Oh I bet he reeeally hates Lonnie as a nickname 😂
Is Musk in this thread?
Nah, but his paid meme troll farms probably are.
No but when he Googles himself - which I am sure he does daily, then he’ll know to stay within the confines of his X domain. We’re claiming back the internets. :)
Seriously though, some young person might still look up to him as a space role-model without ever knowing that the guy is a waste of space.
The entirety of the Musk sycophant Twitter sphere lost their mind about Wikipedia’s finances this week. Only because this dipshit tweeted a lie. Crazy how people can’t fathom that a non-profit that runs one of the most successful websites ever has high costs because they pay their engineers well. These people truly believe that everyone working at a non-profit should get starvation wages.
I work at a very large non profit and I am paid quite well. The work is extremely difficult and anxiety inducing but the payoff isn’t really the money but the good I know I am helping to do.
But the good pay makes it so you have the mental energy to dedicate to the job and not need to worry as much about your finances and maybe have to leave, or do a worse job. I’m for genuine non profit work still being paid fair wages and more within reason. So much of the world relies on non profit programs for something!
As a fairly high up Fed that used to work for a well paid 501c3 same as you I know what you mean.
Wikipedia does funnel money into charity causes that aren’t related to their mission of bringing knowledge to the world. I personally have a hard time reconciling that with the constant begging for donations. I’d rather they set up an endowment or focus the money on items related to the mission.
That being said, paying people well to get bright people working on their mission is a no brainer.
First I’m hearing this also - what unrelated causes to they support?
Sauce?
Wikipedia as an organization does this?? News to me so I’d love a source on that. I would not be surprised if people that work at Wikipedia donate to charitable causes or speak out about social issues, but that’s a very different thing called free speech
Even internally, there’s a lot of complaints about the tone of the donation drives. What’s scary is that these are the pleas that passed. Worse ones were vetoed by community vote.
Ah. So this os the end goal - obtain very popular and influential things on the internet - in this case communication and knowledge/facts, and destroy them in such a way that only technofascists like himself can even find them remotely useful.
It’s the ultimate way to fuck up any democratic society and plunge the world further into chaos. What a dumpster fire.
