Shocked its so low
People aren’t exactly gonna tell a random stranger and probable Fed that they support murder even if it’s really based
It’s not illegal to say you believe Brian Robert Thompson deserved to die. Hell, you could, perfectly legally, file paperwork to hold a parade in Luigi’s honor, right through the heart of DC. It’s illegal to make death threats, but it’s perfectly legal to express support for someone being killed.
With the incoming administration, I don’t want to be on record as saying that.
Then they’ve already won.
Also, the executive branch does not make or enforce legislation.
Then they’ve already won.
Alternatively, keeping your real opinions close in a hostel climate means you have more freedom to act on it. There’s a reason that revolutions are planned out of sight of the authorities.
Also, the executive branch does not make or enforce legislation.
If only Trump knew that. Well, his advisors know that and packed the courts.
And yet… You just went on record saying it on a federated platform.
Not attached to my real name and not in an easily complied format. It’s possible that lemmy is a just a big honeypot, but I doubt it.
I don’t have a problem with speaking my mind in certain situations, but I’m not outing myself in some survey that counts for nothing.
Why not? Feds support murder, certainly. Heck, the Constitution supports murder: it establishes an Army.
When they do it, not us peasants.
after the Nov 5th display of oligarch worshipping, maybe not as surprising it isn’t higher
Shit was rigged, you know they made the question something insane to get more people to not agree with the killing.
Do you think the actions of the killer of the United Healthcare CEO are acceptable or unacceptable?
I’ve seen worse phrasing for survey questions.
O damn that’s actually not worded to bad. I expected way worse than that.
Exactly. The question should have been, “did the CEO deserve to die?” It was likely, “was the killing acceptable?” It’s perfectly possible to believe the bastard had it coming without thinking one person has the right to be judge, jury, and executioner.
https://lemmy.world/comment/14023778
Apparently it was basically that, was it acceptable ot unacceptable.
I’m genuinely shocked… Maybe they didn’t want to go on record saying it because they were concerned about backlash.
Shocking that it’s so low
41% admitted to it.
41% of people they asked! Who knows what criteria they used to get their sample set, so the number may even be higher.
Also, do we know the specific wording? The wording of the questions around it? Those can have a significant impact on the answers.
Yes. This was a study by Emerson college. The methodology is linked in the article.
Of course the old people who are “fuck you I got mine” say it’s completely unacceptable LMAO
Rather than “admitting”, I would think that most of these people are proud of it. If the insurance companies can kill people in large numbers (and they do), and somehow that’s OK (which it shouldn’t be), then that’s the new standard (sadly), and that’s life (or death, as the case may be).
Yeah that is shocking. My guess is lots of people declined to say for obvious reasons. The number has to be closer to 80%
Neutrals are 19%, so even if we assume half of those are actually ok but didn’t say so, that’s still only 50,5% acceptance
That sounds extremely low. What young voters are they polling? The Amish?
Only 41%?
I think of it this way. 41% are willing to say the killing was justified to a perfect stranger.
Guessing here, but an absolutely a MINIMUM of an additional 20% find it secretly acceptable.
After the shooting, hundreds [if not thousands] of doctors and nurses were posting stories about how insurance companies had literally killed people by withholding treatments.
If you live your life in a way that makes a lot of people want to kill you, you can’t be surprised when you get shot.
Seems low. Like if they polled exclusively young conservatives or something.
I don’t think I’d be considered “young” anymore, but I don’t know if I’d say I support it.
Is the world better off without him? Yes.
Did he deserve to die? Yeah, probably.
Do I want to support vigilantism? Probably not.
Would it have been better if he had to deal with some terrible incurable and deadly disease? Yeah, if karma was real.
I’m almost 40. And I support it.
All other avenues are closed. All the proper and acceptable forms of redress are either coopted or outright captured. Civil, political, or otherwise. Peaceful Protest is universally ignored because it lacks the implicit threat of violence that makes it effective elsewhere in the world.
“When the people shall have nothing more to eat, they will eat the rich.” ~ Jean Jacques Rousseau
I feel the same way about Brian as I do about trump. Not sad or angry that they got shot, but I’m upset that someone shot at them. In a better world, we would be empowered enough that the answer to these moneygrubbing grift barons would come before violence, unfortunately, when you only react to violence, violence becomes the only answer.
For my FBI agent… I do not have plans to harm anyone, and this comment is an observation of the current political, social, and equality situation in the US, and not an advocation of violence.
A further 19% were neutral.
“I have no strong feelings one way or the other.”
―Neutral President“If I don’t survive, tell my wife, hello.”
―Neutral President“All I know is my gut says maybe.”
―Neutral PresidentWhat makes a man turn neutral? Lust for gold? Power? Or maybe you were just born with a heart full of neutrality!
Same, this number seems way too low. Even from my skewed perspective of a “old guy” - fastly nearing 40.
Gotta pump those numbers up. Those are rookie numbers!
That low?
There’s a teensy bit of data massaging to make the approval rating appear lower… in my opinion of course.
The respondents were asked to rank “acceptability of the killers actions” on a scale of 1 to 5.
Assumin’the average “young voter” views gunning strangers down as:
[1.very unfavorable]
(You would, if asked about murder, say it was bad As a rule. right? I would too. Ya know, unless it was justified.)
Looking at it that way, the same data looks a lot different suddenly.
33% young voters still think the killer is completely unjustified.
7% think there was some justification
19% are undecided if the CEO deserved to die for what he did
24% think the killer was mostly justified… But have reservations
17% believe he was 100% in the right
I got a little free with the interpretations but you get the idea, You could decide to frame the data this way too. there’s a saying: statistics don’t lie but statisticians do. Here’s my 100% true alternate title using the data but presented with the story I want to tell:
67% of Young Voters at Least Partly Approve of Killers Actions
Selective selection of selected data by billionaire controlled media still can’t get below 41%
It’s awesome how willfully they exclude or manipulate in attempt to soften the information.
“Don’t completely disapprove” might be better phrasing
Yeah that’s the shocking point for me
I’m of two minds about it. Half the time, I want to build a statue of Luigi
The other half of the time, I’m feeling the Tolkien quote, “many that live deserve death, and many that die deserve life. Will you give it to them?”
In other words, at no point do I feel that Brian Robert Thompson didn’t objectively deserve to die. He is objectively doing more good for the world as worm food than he did as a living man. My only question is on the ethics of anyone actually killing him. On one hand, no one should have a right to make that call on their own. On the other, it’s not like he was ever going to face justice any other way.
I wonder if this dilemma is reflected in this poll. You can believe that killing the CEO was unacceptable, while also believing he absolutely deserved it.
Well said.
I don’t usually wish cancer on people, but if I had to choose, I’d probably have wanted him to go this way than by vigilante justice.
It has begun a very interesting national conversation, though…
I’ve been trying to tell you guys this is an echo chamber on the issue.
Cannot believe what our nation is coming to! How the hell is it under 50??
I imagine it’s from people who just don’t watch the news. They don’t know how evil that CEO was, so they blindly apply common sense.
That was my gut reaction right after it happened, since UHC is my insurance company. But I’m just disappointed people are either lack curiosity, lack empathy, or actively support the true evil here.
Only? Wtf
When I was young, I wouldn’t have found it acceptable. It doesn’t matter how badly you’re treated, you need to find a peaceful way to resist. It’s something drilled into my and my peers’ skulls since I can remember.
After seeing little progress (but mostly worsening) with polite requests and peaceful protests, I really can’t figure out how it can be unacceptable.
A lot of those kids probably just haven’t gained that wisdom yet.
There’s a middle ground between no violence and shooting someone. I’d find it acceptable if we’d all get some pitchforks and whips and send them into the diaspora. Some light lashing, some expropriations, that I could really enjoy.
The problem is “we”. It is by design that the people are kept from organizing. Demonizing of unions, immigrants, the poor, people of different faith, and people with different political views all pit us against each other.
Even peaceful protest is now largely impossible. Cops subject peaceful protesters to kettling, mass arrests, etc. They spy on protesters with electronic tracking, use agent provocateurs to provide excuses to disrupt non-conservative protests, and work overtime to infiltrate and disrupt peaceful protest movements. Hell, Occupy Wall Street was subject to a mass FBI-coordinated national crackdown. They don’t even let us peacefully demonstrate anymore without putting our lives and freedom at risk. They casually assault peaceful protesters with chemical weapons.
In the US, peaceful protesters have to hide their faces like the protesters in Hong Kong against the CCP.
There is also something to be said about how we’ve failed to unite as a people. There is no solidarity between people of different classes. The more we push for unity the more we find out how much subjugation is acceptable to the average person.
I know the problem is lots of different things but at the end of the day the biggest thing, to me, is we don’t feel the consequences. Not yet, not enough. Unfortunately, with climate change, if you feel the consequences it’s probably too late. Here’s to hoping something else breaks before the planet does.
Fuck. So much truth here. I can’t even think of a thing to add.
We need to bring back tar and feathering.
That’s used as a joke but it wasn’t really all fun and games. The hot tar could and did kill or disfigure people.
I am permanently disfigured due to their negligence. One of my best friends was killed by their greed.
Publically disfiguring/killing a few CEOs would be awesome. Not only would it save lives, but also it would be hella fun.
The point was not to kill them in this scenario though…
No, the point was not to shoot them.
A few CEOs dying from tarring and feathering would just be a happy little accident.
Right. Thing is the ones in power never limit themselves to such kid-gloves in response.
We are literally nothing to them.
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For one thing, you can sympathize but not find it acceptable.
51% think he should have been set on fire.
It’s still the majority opinion.
19% don’t care.
the word you’re looking for is plurality.
Majority means over 50%.
If 19% don’t care, then it is acceptable to them.
They are not upset it happened, they accept it. They do not explicitly support it tho.
Add the 19% to 41% and get 60% do not have a problem with a broad daylight execution of a healthcare CEO.
So if you want to be pedantic, email the person (or ai) that generated the headline.
But 60% didn’t have a problem with it.
Many things people find despicable are common place in the fog of war. I will never agree with gunning down a poor person no matter what they did, justice is served for the poor daily on a cold lead plate. For the 1%??? Who can we call when insurance kills our loved ones? When Dr’s make intentional mistakes and your loved one is dead? Can you call the police and expect them to go snorkeling to find evidence? Or can you maybe expect a call in a few weeks with a maybe update? We have seen how they respond when one of their masters is murdered. Until there is actual justice for all citizens, there will be no peace. Eat the rich.
I’m not prepared to say people can’t deserve being gunned down based on socioeconomic status, but I am all for the rich getting their fair share of the gunning down. Preventing active murder or grievous bodily harm, harming children, etc.
There is too much gunning down, and especially for unreasonable things, but I won’t lose sleep when those in power effecting and enforcing the injustice get theirs. The phrase “just desserts” exists for a reason.
The poor can’t even get justice wrenched from the poor, much less the rich.
Many of these polls are written in way to ellicit a biased response.
Others have already covered how this works, but I’ll add to it anyway.
If you ask a question like “do you condemn violence against healthcare CEOs?” A lot of people are going to say yes, because they view themselves as people against violence and respond mostly to that first part.
If you ask "did brian thompson deserve to die for his crimes? Many of the same people will say yes to that too, because people have an innate desire for justice.
Polls do this all the time. It’s part of social engineering and plays on the phenomenon that the Asch Conformity Experiments analyzed. Around 35% of people will change their opinions to fit everyone else’s even if the answer or opinion is very obviously incorrect.
Don’t let them take the narrative back.
“Do you think your house is too small”, vs “would you like a bigger house” … >> x% of people happy with size of their house
“Do you condemn hummus?”
did brian thompson deserve to die for his crimes?
The answer is no. Unless you are counting his drunk driving and insider trading. His business was operating legally, and he was providing legal orders when directing UHC to deny 30% or more of bills. And that’s the problem. Brian didn’t commit crimes, but the industry as a whole is insufficiently regulated, and should not be privatized, but they are so large and powerful that the general citizens cannot oust them. Denying any coverage and passing the bill on to the insured party should be illegal, but it isn’t.
Yeah, rich people get to operate legally with the laws they create. Who’da thunk?
It’s a shame people like you still take every opportunity to sell yourself out so someone you’ll never know can be just a bit richer.
I highly recommend you read up on the social contract, it looks like you haven’t reached that lesson in grade school yet.
Aww, someone didn’t have the attention span to wead da whole comment and now dey are super angwy about it…
Yeah, that’s about the response I’d expect from someone like you.
Blocked.
Oh no, he’s threatening to hold his breath! What will I even do!?
When you’re ready to talk like an adult, I’ll talk with you like an adult.
It’s not just legal to deny 30% of claims, but he had a fiduciary duty to find ways to make the company profit. He may have “served the wrong master”, but the real crime is the existence of an insurance market where that’s both legal and expected
For my similar brush with moral ambiguity, I interviewed for a job at a mass-email provider. It’s a perfectly legal company extending a legit job offer to do similar work as what I do now. However I find their existence repugnant, and generally oppose their actions where they affect me. Most importantly I said no. You have to take some responsibility for your actions.
So no, he didn’t deserve to be killed. We can only hope the anger and outrage from that leads to health insurance reform so the crime of that market no longer exists. I’d be more than happy for someone in that position to lose a job they should not have taken. However, these extenuating circumstances mean that I also would not convict the person who executed him in protest
They also claim that they want more equality, universal healthcare, less student debt, etc. And then a ton of them proceeded to vote for Donald Trump. I can’t take anything they say seriously.
That is shocking. Get your shit together, 59%!
America is still too rich imo.
I think economic collapse is near, next 10 years.
That’s when we would have a chance to recalibrate this countryYeah. Unfortunately too many americans still view themselves as the ruling elite.
If you look at things globally, they still have a lot of reason to believe that even if it isn’t actually true.
The fact that politicians and executives consider this a “shock” is part of the problem.
I’ve heard a saying that if you do anything enough, it becomes normal.
Yeah, good habits n such are important to cultivate until they’re second-nature.
Only 41%?
We still have work to do.
