• givesomefucks@lemmy.world
    link
    fedilink
    English
    arrow-up
    97
    arrow-down
    15
    ·
    28 days ago

    “Under the deal reached today, effective at 4:00 a.m. tomorrow, local time, the fighting across the Lebanese Israeli border will end,” Biden said in the White House Rose Garden.

    “This is designed to be a permanent cessation of hostilities,” he added. “What is left of Hezbollah and other terrorist organizations will not be allowed, I emphasize, will not be allowed, to threaten the security of Israel again.”

    Can never tell if Biden is saying what he means to say, or his mind went on a walkabout…

    But it sounds like that’s less of an equal ceasefire and more that Israel will restart if they hear anyone complain about Israel’s actions…

    Like, Biden is literally threatening them, that if they threaten Israel that’s enough for a war…

    And he probably legit believes this is fair and equal

    • WhatAmLemmy@lemmy.world
      link
      fedilink
      English
      arrow-up
      24
      arrow-down
      7
      ·
      edit-2
      28 days ago

      “Fair and equal” for a military industrial complex that has waged war its entire existence is about as “fair and equal” as a master and their slave.

    • kreskin@lemmy.world
      link
      fedilink
      English
      arrow-up
      6
      arrow-down
      1
      ·
      27 days ago

      Biden’s probably patting himself on the back for “bringing peace” to a conflict he helped create and make worse. Helped lose the election to a fascist too. I hope history remembers him for the complete murderous idiot he is.

    • remon@ani.social
      link
      fedilink
      English
      arrow-up
      6
      arrow-down
      1
      ·
      26 days ago

      And he probably legit believes this is fair and equal

      Why should it be? It’s a ceasefire deal, not splitting candy between kids. You accept or impose the conditions of the deal based on your position and capabilities on the battlefield.

    • nonailsleft@lemm.ee
      link
      fedilink
      English
      arrow-up
      11
      arrow-down
      10
      ·
      28 days ago

      Well he’s basically saying that if they break the ceasefire again, they get the hose again

    • maplebar@lemmy.world
      link
      fedilink
      English
      arrow-up
      22
      arrow-down
      40
      ·
      edit-2
      28 days ago

      They’re allowed to “complain about Israel”. They aren’t allowed to fire missiles or wage attacks.

      Hope that clears things up for you.

      • givesomefucks@lemmy.world
        link
        fedilink
        English
        arrow-up
        27
        arrow-down
        6
        ·
        edit-2
        28 days ago

        They aren’t allowed to fire missiles or wage attacks.

        I know Bibi may think of indiscriminate attacks on civilians as “just a threat” but very very few others do…

  • acargitz@lemmy.ca
    link
    fedilink
    English
    arrow-up
    46
    arrow-down
    4
    ·
    27 days ago

    Hey, look, that’s white phosphorus, it’s a war crime on the featured image! Yay normalization of barbarity UwU

        • rektangel@lemmy.world
          link
          fedilink
          English
          arrow-up
          6
          arrow-down
          2
          ·
          27 days ago

          It hasn’t been replaced on my end, even with disabled caching. But yeah, this is probably a war crime. 😞 You’d think Israel would know better with their history.

          • wpb@lemmy.world
            link
            fedilink
            English
            arrow-up
            10
            arrow-down
            2
            ·
            26 days ago

            From the nakba, to their initiation of the six day war and the resulting ethnic displacement of some 400k people, to their 80s invasion of Lebanon and the resulting ethnic cleansing at Sabra and Shatila, to their siege on gaza since 2008 targeting civilians by cutting off food and building materials and regular bombings, to their reaction to the peaceful march of return protests (snipers targeting the elderly, children, and the disabled), to the current ongoing well-documented genocide, what is it about the history of Israel that makes you think they should know better? They’re literally built on war crimes and atrocities.

            If you’re talking about the holocaust, that’s part of the history of Jewish people, not that of Israel. And many Jewish people do criticize Israel for its war crimes, precisely because of the holocaust. Israel is not the same as the Jewish people, and conflating the two is actually kind of antisemitic.

      • indomara@lemmy.world
        link
        fedilink
        English
        arrow-up
        7
        arrow-down
        1
        ·
        edit-2
        26 days ago

        This is the image. (I use imagus or hover zoom which enlarges images all over the web upon hover)

        There do appear to be civilian buildings with lights on in the image.

        • wpb@lemmy.world
          link
          fedilink
          English
          arrow-up
          5
          arrow-down
          1
          ·
          26 days ago

          What a relief! , Here I was thinking it was an incendiary non-discriminate weapon that could horribly maim civilians if used in a densely populated city like beirut.

          • LaLuzDelSol@lemmy.world
            link
            fedilink
            English
            arrow-up
            1
            arrow-down
            2
            ·
            26 days ago

            Simply pointing it out because use of white phosphorus is probably a war crime under the Geneva convention but thermite isn’t. Also people in this thread are reading an awful lot into a very low rez thumbnail that doesn’t even appear in the article and for all I know has nothing to do with the israel-lebanon comflict.

      • Tinidril@midwest.social
        link
        fedilink
        English
        arrow-up
        29
        arrow-down
        6
        ·
        27 days ago

        Nothing is fixed. There are no penalties whatsoever for Israel if they break this ceasefire, and that is by design. Israel wants to pause and reload. When they are ready, they will find an excuse and start right back up. They want that land, and they are going to get it with our help.

        • bestboyfriendintheworld@sh.itjust.works
          link
          fedilink
          English
          arrow-up
          3
          arrow-down
          6
          ·
          26 days ago

          There was a ceasefire between Hezbollah and Israel from 2006 until October 8th 2023. Then Hezbollah attacked Israel for a year causing tens of thousands of Israelis to flee the north, before the IDF went in to stop the attacks.

          Hezbollah should not have even been in southern Lebanon according to UNSC resolution 1701.

          • Tinidril@midwest.social
            link
            fedilink
            English
            arrow-up
            4
            arrow-down
            1
            ·
            26 days ago

            Was Israel really attacked In October 2023? This is the first I heard of it. So weird for something like that to just happen out of the clear blue sky to such wonderful people who definitely didn’t provoke it or anything.

            • bestboyfriendintheworld@sh.itjust.works
              link
              fedilink
              English
              arrow-up
              1
              arrow-down
              4
              ·
              25 days ago

              Sure there’s a history behind everything. This escalations started on October 7th 2023. It remains the day with the most violent deaths in one day for all of the wars involving Israel.

              • Tinidril@midwest.social
                link
                fedilink
                English
                arrow-up
                3
                ·
                25 days ago

                I’m sorry (not really) but decades of watching Israel unnecessarily provoke Palestine with apartheid dominance and unjustified illegal land grabs, I’m fucking done with “both sides”. The prejudices might be symmetrical, but only Israel had the power to alter the dynamics, and they chose the path to violence.

    • iii@mander.xyz
      link
      fedilink
      English
      arrow-up
      48
      arrow-down
      76
      ·
      28 days ago

      What about Sudan Biden? What about mexico biden? What about DRC biden? What about Myanmar Biden? Eh eh eh ??!!

      Is this really how your mind operates?

        • iii@mander.xyz
          link
          fedilink
          English
          arrow-up
          22
          arrow-down
          47
          ·
          edit-2
          28 days ago

          I’m questioning the first comment’s rethoric.

          • small44@lemmy.world
            link
            fedilink
            English
            arrow-up
            29
            arrow-down
            11
            ·
            28 days ago

            He is asking Biden to at least advocate for imposing pressure on Israelis if it can’t do it

            • iii@mander.xyz
              link
              fedilink
              English
              arrow-up
              9
              arrow-down
              26
              ·
              edit-2
              28 days ago

              That’s a surprising, to me, interpretation of that comment. Can you please point out to me where the comment argued for diplomacy?

                • iii@mander.xyz
                  link
                  fedilink
                  English
                  arrow-up
                  8
                  arrow-down
                  25
                  ·
                  edit-2
                  28 days ago

                  Sure. Line-by-line we venture:

                  Sooo…what about Gaza, Biden?

                  No indication of argueing for diplomacy

                  What about Palestine, Biden?

                  Idem

                  Eh?

                  Idem

                  Eh??

                  Idem

                  In conclusion: to the best of my abilities, I fail to see how this comment argues for diplomacy.

                  “He is asking Biden to at least advocate for imposing pressure on Israelis if it can’t do it”, so far as I can see, that tought is not present in that comment.

            • nonailsleft@lemm.ee
              link
              fedilink
              English
              arrow-up
              7
              arrow-down
              32
              ·
              28 days ago

              I’m sure if Hamas agreed to retreat 20 miles from the border they’d get the same deal

              • small44@lemmy.world
                link
                fedilink
                English
                arrow-up
                26
                arrow-down
                6
                ·
                28 days ago

                I am sure if Israel didn’t decide to invade the West bank and Gaza in 67 they would live in peace

                • nonailsleft@lemm.ee
                  link
                  fedilink
                  English
                  arrow-up
                  6
                  arrow-down
                  30
                  ·
                  28 days ago

                  I’m not sure if you’re joking, but if you’re not, you might want to read a little about the war you’re referencing.

                  Israel invaded those territories because Jordan and Egypt were using them to launch a surprise attack.

                  “Live in peace” is a bit subjective in your example lol

              • jordanlund@lemmy.worldM
                link
                fedilink
                English
                arrow-up
                19
                arrow-down
                1
                ·
                27 days ago

                Gaza is only 25 miles long and, at it’s widest, 7.5 miles thick. It’s literally impossible to move 20 miles from the border.

                • nonailsleft@lemm.ee
                  link
                  fedilink
                  English
                  arrow-up
                  3
                  arrow-down
                  19
                  ·
                  28 days ago

                  I’m sorry I have to explain this. In the case of Hezbollah, they’re agreeing to retreat to a distance from the border from where they can’t (significantly) attack Israel again. The poster I’m replying to questions why Israel can’t (be forced to) make a similar deal with Hamas. I’m using sarcasm to point to an important reason why

              • Saleh@feddit.org
                link
                fedilink
                English
                arrow-up
                14
                arrow-down
                4
                ·
                edit-2
                27 days ago

                20 miles from the border is in the Sea… Which shows again how anything short of total annihilation of anyone question Israel supremacy seems insufficient for Israel and its supporters.

              • shaserlark@sh.itjust.works
                link
                fedilink
                English
                arrow-up
                11
                arrow-down
                4
                ·
                27 days ago

                So you’re suggesting ethnic cleansing. You don’t have to say it because that’s the only possible consequence of your suggestion. Absolutely disgusting.

      • maplebar@lemmy.world
        link
        fedilink
        English
        arrow-up
        25
        arrow-down
        37
        ·
        28 days ago

        This is what people acting in bad faith do; constantly moving the goalposts so that they are never satisfied with the people who they never intended to give credit in the first place. There could be a ceasefire in Gaza tomorrow and people would find some new shit to gripe about.

        Welcome to the hamster wheel of modern political hackery.

        • Tinidril@midwest.social
          link
          fedilink
          English
          arrow-up
          10
          arrow-down
          1
          ·
          27 days ago

          A ceasefire tomorrow doesn’t eliminate or make up for war crimes today. There should be no satisfaction until the criminals are brought to justice.

    • maplebar@lemmy.world
      link
      fedilink
      English
      arrow-up
      20
      arrow-down
      70
      ·
      28 days ago

      Hamas is free to agree to a ceasefire at any time of their choosing, contingent mostly on their willingness to hand over the remaining hostages. Allah knows they’ve had many opportunities thus far, so what’s stopping them?

      • Keeponstalin@lemmy.world
        link
        fedilink
        English
        arrow-up
        79
        arrow-down
        6
        ·
        28 days ago

        Hamas proposed a full prisoner swap as early as Oct 8th, and agreed to the US proposed UN Permanent Ceasefire Resolution. Additionally, Hamas has already agreed to no longer govern the Gaza Strip, as long as Palestinians receive liberation and a unified government can take place.

        This isnt about the hostages, this is Israel engaging in Genocide to eradicate and forcibly displace the Palestinian people. Gaza has never stopped being under Israeli occupation since 1967. Hamas only exists because of the Apartheid Occupation of Israel and the daily violence that has subjected Palestinians to for generations. Israel has always been the obstacle for peace, and has been the one preventing a ceasefire.

        De-development via the Gaza Occupation

        Between July 1971 and February 1972, Sharon enjoyed considerable success. During this time, the entire Strip (apart from the Rafah area) was sealed off by a ring of security fences 53 miles in length, with few entrypoints. Today, their effects live on: there are only three points of entry to Gaza—Erez, Nahal Oz, and Rafah.

        Perhaps the most dramatic and painful aspect of Sharon’s campaign was the widening of roads in the refugee camps to facilitate military access. Israel built nearly 200 miles of security roads and destroyed thousands of refugee dwellings as part of the widening process.’ In August 1971, for example, the Israeli army destroyed 7,729 rooms (approximately 2,000 houses) in three vola- tile camps, displacing 15,855 refugees: 7,217 from Jabalya, 4,836 from Shati, and 3,802 from Rafah.

        • Page 105

        Through 1993 Israel imposed a one-way system of tariffs and duties on the importation of goods through its borders; leaving Israel for Gaza, however, no tariffs or other regulations applied. Thus, for Israeli exports to Gaza, the Strip was treated as part of Israel; but for Gazan exports to Israel, the Strip was treated as a foreign entity subject to various “non-tariff barriers.” This placed Israel at a distinct advantage for trading and limited Gaza’s access to Israeli and foreign markets. Gazans had no recourse against such policies, being totally unable to protect themselves with tariffs or exchange rate controls. Thus, they had to pay more for highly protected Israeli products than they would if they had some control over their own economy. Such policies deprived the occupied territories of significant customs revenue, estimated at $118-$176 million in 1986.

        • page 240

        In a report released in May 2015, the World Bank revealed that as a result of Israel’s blockade and OPE, Gaza’s manufacturing sector shrank by as much as 60% over eight years while real per capita income is 31 percent lower than it was 20 years ago. The report also stated that the blockade alone is responsible for a 50% decrease in Gaza’s GDP since 2007. Furthermore, OPE (combined with the tunnel closure) exacerbated an already grave situation by reducing Gaza’s economy by an additional $460 million.

        • Page 402

        • The Gaza Strip: The Political Economy of De-Development - Third Edition by Sara M. Roy

        Blockade, including Aid

        Hamas began twenty years into the occupation during the first Intifada, with the goal of ending the occupation. Collective punishment has been a deliberate Israeli tactic for decades with the Dahiya doctrine. Violence such as suicide bombings and rockets escalated in response to Israeli enforcement of the occupation and apartheid.

        After the ‘disengagement’ in 2007, this turned into a full blockade; where Israel has had control over the airspace, borders, and sea. Under the guise of ‘dual-use’ Israel has restricted food, allocating a minimum supply leading to over half of Gaza being food insecure; construction materials, medical supplies, and other basic necessities have also been restricted.

        The blockade and Israel’s repeated military offensives have had a heavy toll on Gaza’s essential infrastructure and further debilitated its health system and economy, leaving the area in a state of perpetual humanitarian crisis. Indeed, Israel’s collective punishment of Gaza’s civilian population, the majority of whom are children, has created conditions inimical to human life due to shortages of housing, potable water and electricity, and lack of access to essential medicines and medical care, food, educational equipment and building materials.

        Peace Process and Solution

        Both Hamas and Fatah have agreed to a Two-State solution based on the 1967 borders for decades. Oslo and Camp David were used by Israel to continue settlements in the West Bank and maintain an Apartheid, while preventing any actual Two-State solution

        How Avi Shlaim moved from two-state solution to one-state solution

        ‘One state is a game changer’: A conversation with Ilan Pappe

        One State Solution, Foreign Affairs

        Human Shields

        Hamas:

        Intentionally utilizing the presence of civilians or other protected persons to render certain areas immune from military attack is prohibited under international law. Amnesty International was not able to establish whether or not the fighters’ presence in the camps was intended to shield themselves from military attacks. However, under international humanitarian law, even if one party uses “human shields”, or is otherwise unlawfully endangering civilians, this does not absolve the opposing party from complying with its obligations to distinguish between military objectives and civilians or civilian objects, to refrain from carrying out indiscriminate or disproportionate attacks, and to take all feasible precautions to spare civilians and civilian objects.

        Israel:

        Additionally, there is extensive independent verification of Israel using Palestinians as Human Shields:

        Deliberate Attacks on Civilians

        Israel deliberately targets civilian areas. From in general with the Dahiya Doctrine to multiple systems deployed in Gaza to do so:

        Israel also targets Israeli Soldiers and Civilians to prevent them being leveraged as hostages, known as the Hannibal Directive. Which was also used on Oct 7th.

      • small44@lemmy.world
        link
        fedilink
        English
        arrow-up
        41
        arrow-down
        8
        ·
        28 days ago

        This like saying Ukraine is free to agree to Russians and make huge concessions

        • nonailsleft@lemm.ee
          link
          fedilink
          English
          arrow-up
          9
          arrow-down
          38
          ·
          28 days ago

          Yeah if Ukraine invaded Russia, executed some children and took hundreds of hostages, then it’s exactly the same

          • small44@lemmy.world
            link
            fedilink
            English
            arrow-up
            30
            arrow-down
            6
            ·
            edit-2
            28 days ago

            Russia occupied part of Ukraine and Israel occupied the West bank and imposing a devastating blockade in Gaza. The comparison is very accurate. Arresting people including kids in occupied West bank is literally kidnapping. Israelis been killing Palestinians including kids since it’s creation

            • nonailsleft@lemm.ee
              link
              fedilink
              English
              arrow-up
              6
              arrow-down
              32
              ·
              28 days ago

              Ok so Ukraine held part of Russia after a previous conflict and was kidnapping kids there, causing Russia to invade Crimea

              Sorry that’s a perfect comparison indeed

              Maybe you can draw parallels with the Khmer Rouge as well to clear things up for us

              • small44@lemmy.world
                link
                fedilink
                English
                arrow-up
                21
                arrow-down
                3
                ·
                28 days ago

                So you are going to ignore the valid comparison that Israel and Russia are the occupiers therefore responsible from the legitimate and illegitimate attacks by the occupied and you are going to ignore Israelis kidnapping and killing palestinians for decades?

                • nonailsleft@lemm.ee
                  link
                  fedilink
                  English
                  arrow-up
                  1
                  arrow-down
                  8
                  ·
                  27 days ago

                  I’m saying the history of the creation, partition and fighting over Palestine is a little bit different from the history of Russia, Ukraine and the Donbas

                  If you want to talk about the Palestinian-Israeli conflict and all its horrors including the prisoner situation we can, I don’t need you to ignore it. But it’s dumb to want to pull that into a discussion on why that would somehow make the conflict the same as Rus vs Ukr

                • nonailsleft@lemm.ee
                  link
                  fedilink
                  English
                  arrow-up
                  3
                  arrow-down
                  3
                  ·
                  27 days ago

                  Well technically the USSR took it from Russia and gave it to Ukraine.

                  Anyway if you go back far enough the Russians stole it from the Crimeans and later deported all of them, replacing the entire population of the peninsula with proud Russians, ready to man the naval base.

                  How’s that for a comparison with Palestine lol

  • frigidaphelion@lemmy.world
    link
    fedilink
    English
    arrow-up
    16
    arrow-down
    1
    ·
    27 days ago

    I dont want to talk about the political aspects because I am not well informed, but does anyone know what the thumbnail photo is of? It looks almost other-worldly. I’m assuming it is a weapon of some sort?

  • WanderingVentra@lemm.ee
    link
    fedilink
    English
    arrow-up
    23
    arrow-down
    14
    ·
    27 days ago

    I understand that Lebanon has to look out for themselves and recover from the horrific terrorist pager attacks and civilian apartment building bombings of Israel, but this isn’t good for Gaza. Now Israel is free to complete their genocide without opposition =( Everyone needs to participate in BDS. We need to pressure Israel in other ways now.

        • Doorbook@lemmy.world
          link
          fedilink
          English
          arrow-up
          13
          arrow-down
          4
          ·
          27 days ago

          This is classic clanoizier mentality. “We will take your land, kill everyone ignoring any rules of war, that we set for the world, and you cannot fight back, and if you do you are a terrorist.”

          • FLeX@lemmy.world
            link
            fedilink
            English
            arrow-up
            1
            arrow-down
            1
            ·
            25 days ago

            Please just talk to any Lebanon citizen, they will explain you better than me how wrong you are. Its a terrorist sect, not the resistance.

        • FLeX@lemmy.world
          link
          fedilink
          English
          arrow-up
          1
          arrow-down
          1
          ·
          25 days ago

          The pager attack was a terrorism act. That doesnt mean hezbollah members are not pieces of shit too

  • answersplease77@lemmy.world
    link
    fedilink
    English
    arrow-up
    16
    arrow-down
    12
    ·
    edit-2
    28 days ago

    A decision to instantly save money, save economies, save lives and people’s blood, save the climate, and start talking like humans instead of luanching metals into each other. I hate wars and the people who profit from destruction of the planet and mass bloodsheding of civilians. Israel’s war crimes fully sponsored, supported and funded by the US have shown their true image oppressing and genociding whom they illegally colonize.
    Their hypocrasy made putin look good taking over Ukraine, and legitimized China’s intent to take over Taiwan by so many levels. You don’t have the right to defend injustice and what you colonize from others wether your name was Israel, Russia, or China. and everyone is sick of hearing about those Western values then seeing them on display as ethnic cleansing and genocide against oppressed stateless people in a ethnostate aparthied.

    • xor@lemmy.blahaj.zone
      link
      fedilink
      English
      arrow-up
      1
      ·
      26 days ago

      The short answer is about the same as yesterday.

      The ceasefire defines a 60 day window for them to gradually withdraw (at an agreed rate), while Hezbollah moves away to the north and the Lebanese military move into the south.

  • werefreeatlast@lemmy.world
    link
    fedilink
    English
    arrow-up
    1
    arrow-down
    19
    ·
    28 days ago

    I sort of recall that these hezbowlers and their friends eeeseeess pieces removed the thinking part from one of our comrades in the media. It’s been a weird sort of war. Accordingly Israel has actually murdered thousands of children, women and other innocent people including members of the media. The war was started by an attack from the loosing party. Israel shot and killed a woman Journalist named Shirin Abu Akhala may 2022 this before the war really started. Maybe she knew something the rest of us didn’t about the incoming war? Now the entire country has been erased apparently with a small portion of the population remaining. So now is the right time to stop? 😞🛑. I mean sure it should stop. But like we all thought it was time to stop right after it began and the reports started coming in about innocent people being murdered. Then came images of total destruction and murder by drone like remote extermination. Anyway, Trump is an idiot, so if a smart person didn’t stop the war, maybe a total retard can?

  • iii@mander.xyz
    link
    fedilink
    English
    arrow-up
    9
    arrow-down
    38
    ·
    edit-2
    28 days ago

    So the clusterfuck Hezbollah - Lebanese government will continue.

    • nonailsleft@lemm.ee
      link
      fedilink
      English
      arrow-up
      6
      arrow-down
      12
      ·
      28 days ago

      They were never going to eradicate them entirely. But their weight in Lebanon has certainly been reduced. Even more if they break the ceasefire again

      • Not_mikey@slrpnk.net
        link
        fedilink
        English
        arrow-up
        13
        arrow-down
        2
        ·
        28 days ago

        Their approval among there base of shias has only gone up since the conflict started, there approval among non shias has remained constant. Your assuming that Lebanese view the situation as western media portrays it with hezbollah as terrorists and the ones to blame for the destruction but:

        Seventy-eight percent of Lebanese respondents said Israel’s onslaught of Gaza was a “terrorist act”, while only 11 percent viewed Hezbollah’s attacks on northern Israel as “terrorism”.

        This jump in approval among there base is despite them being in government and a horrific economic situation in Lebanon, that’s how much the shia in south Lebanon hate israel and its genocide in Gaza.

        • nonailsleft@lemm.ee
          link
          fedilink
          English
          arrow-up
          6
          arrow-down
          3
          ·
          27 days ago

          Sorry, but that information is from 6+ months ago. Most of the general population and especially the non-shias did not feel the real fallout from Hezbollah attacking Israel until September.

          The survey, conducted between February and April 2024

          • Not_mikey@slrpnk.net
            link
            fedilink
            English
            arrow-up
            4
            arrow-down
            1
            ·
            27 days ago

            Again your assuming that the Lebanese blame hezbollah for that fallout, and not the ones actually causing it. This is a classic imperial tactic of framing the ones fighting the system as troublemakers and blaming all the destruction the empire does in the name of repression on them. The Viet cong are the reason for us napalming children, if they weren’t here we wouldn’t have to do that. This can work on people sympathetic to the imperial project, but people who are less sympathetic think the empire is the trouble maker and the cause for the destruction, so anyone fighting them must be good.

            Think, if trump went full dictator, and then antifa blew up an ICEstapo building and then trump started bombing Portland in retaliation, would you think this is all antifas fault like fox News would be pushing. Or would you think antifas a bit extreme but trump is a tyrant who is killing way more people who i am sympathetic to.

            The sympathy for Israel among Lebanese and especially among shia is near 0, so if they’re looking for someone to blame it’s gonna be them.

            • nonailsleft@lemm.ee
              link
              fedilink
              English
              arrow-up
              1
              arrow-down
              3
              ·
              edit-2
              27 days ago

              Wow that’s a lot of analogies wrapped in there

              Say you and your Trump-lubbin buddies are riding your lifted truck and you see a trans kid walking on the side of the road. One of your friends can’t jumps off and punches them out, just because they couldn’t control their need to physically fight the gay agenda any longer. You’re still cheering him on when a van full of Antifa dudes pulls up and they beat the perpetrator, your buddies and yourself to a pulp. And I mean really, really pulpy. Also they bomb your truck

              Sure, your hatred for Antifa and the Gay Agenda might have grown even stronger by this altercation. But would you still think your buddy attacking that kid was a smart idea? Would you follow him when he goes after the next one?

              • Not_mikey@slrpnk.net
                link
                fedilink
                English
                arrow-up
                2
                ·
                27 days ago

                Probably, this is how tribalism and war work. People will almost always side with there in group even if they are the obvious aggressor. Any attack on your in group, even in retaliation, will tend to reinforce bonds and further entrench you rather then make you “wake up” and leave the group or turn against the agitators. You want revenge and you aren’t going to turn against the one guy who’s shown he’s willing to help you get that revenge.

  • NastyNative@mander.xyz
    link
    fedilink
    English
    arrow-up
    2
    arrow-down
    31
    ·
    27 days ago

    Open diplomacy at least in this case is temporarily stopping death. This is something to be celebrated! Good on Biden for doing this. Why cant Biden do the same for Ukraine?

    • remon@ani.social
      link
      fedilink
      English
      arrow-up
      21
      arrow-down
      4
      ·
      27 days ago

      “And over the next 60 days, Israel will gradually withdraw its remaining forces.”

      Guess who’s not willing to withdraw their forces back to their own territory.

      • NastyNative@mander.xyz
        link
        fedilink
        English
        arrow-up
        2
        arrow-down
        10
        ·
        edit-2
        27 days ago

        I don’t think they have a choice specially if we cut funding for Israel. We are forcing them to stop we should be doing the same with Ukraine and Russia. Peace is attainable for sure! Also they are only withdrawing from Lebanon what about Gaza?

        • remon@ani.social
          link
          fedilink
          English
          arrow-up
          13
          arrow-down
          2
          ·
          edit-2
          27 days ago

          Who is cutting funding for Israel? And if if that was a factor in the recent ceasefire (which I’m not aware off) … how does that apply to Ukraine? We already cut all “funding” to Russia and sanction them.

            • remon@ani.social
              link
              fedilink
              English
              arrow-up
              6
              ·
              edit-2
              27 days ago

              I didn’t say that?

              The ceasefire deal is with Hezbollah (which is in Lebanon) and not with Hamas (which is in Gaza). That is what the article you are currently commenting on, is about.

                • remon@ani.social
                  link
                  fedilink
                  English
                  arrow-up
                  9
                  arrow-down
                  1
                  ·
                  27 days ago

                  I was quoting the article that is talking about the withdrawl from Lebanon. Lebanon is not Gaza. Nobody in this comment chain was talking about Gaza until you just now.