Image not quite for ADHPeeps but I feel this sort of thing happens regularly for us as well.
Reminds me of when people find out I do cocaine and Adderall.
“Oh Michael likes to get high”
No, Michael doesn’t have health insurance and has very severe adhd. I can’t live a normal life without stimulants and drug dealers are cheaper than doctors. welcome to America.
Damn mate, that’s really rough. I did see recently how US companies are taking advantage of the made-up scarcity to scalp people with ADHD to the point where the black market is more affordable. I only you know what you’re doing vis-a-vis risks from tainted batches.
I do worry about getting a hot batch and dying but that’s just the state of America today. Women will be getting dangerous back ally abortions as well soon.
please test your pills! fentanyl test strips are cheap and widely available. you can also use reagent tests to confirm what is (and isnt) in them. DanceSafe is a great resource for this: https://dancesafe.org/
It’s a problem with the categorization. They’re treated like oxy legally so they aren’t allowed to manufacture over a certain amount.
Cocaine bad for mental health. Even with ADHD cocaine is so cut and stepped on its not reliable enough to get anything done.
It falls into the “better than nothing” category for me. I’m aware it’s absolutely not a good idea.
I’m sorry your government failed you so badly. That’s a tough place to be in.
Thank you Mr poopybutthole
The “bad guys” are bridging the gap!
You nailed it. I fall into the insurance gap in my state. I make too much for free healthcare but not enough to qualify for discounts on healthcare. The Fed thinks I should be helped by my state, my state disagrees.
what state?
I’ll give you a hint with a fake headline…
“Man attempts to marry racoons but refuses to sign the racoons pre-nup”
What state is it?
Tennessee? lol. thats rough I’m sorry.
Florida lol
eheh, oi! you have my sympathies.
Free market capitalism… fuck this place
Kind of off topic but when people say “capitalism is evil” it reminds me of the people who say “socialism never works”
The rebuttal is always “well REAL socialism hasn’t been tried. Soviet Russia was a bastardization of the system!”
I feel that way about capitalism. America isn’t a capitalist system. It’s a corrupt oligarchy and that’s the issue. If we had REAL capitalism I wouldn’t be having this problem. Not saying life would be perfect I’m just saying corruption is the reason I can’t afford a doctor, not capitalism.
Socialism tempers capitalism when balanced right. Let people pay the market rate for their choices, let society pay for health. America’s problem is too much is for profit, too little for the social good
Option C: capitalism is neither good nor evil, just an economic reactor core that must be properly harnessed to deliver on its promise (market efficiency) and avoid its peril (oligopoly).
The primary means of keeping the reactor core healthy (full-market efficient) is to keep it cool (evenly distributed) by pruning and recirculating capital via taxes. This amounts to redistribution, of course, which many have taken to calling “socialism.” But the reality is both are needed to maintain balance in the people’s economy.
The sooner we realize that, the sooner we can fix the damn reactor core.
Of course it is. Visiting a doctor is cheaper elsewhere. It’s the particular mix of regulation, subsidies and market that makes it so bad.
Eh, cocaine seems kinda too much. I understand lots of adderall.
BTW, where I am normal ADHD medication is illegal, unless you get it and the recipe in another country. As you might imagine, that is kinda expensive to do every few months.
Why the combination? I have no idea about either.
It’s not a combination. I’d try to buy Adderall which is what a doctor would prescribe but there is an Adderall shortage because… Well because people sell their meds to drug dealers so the FDA clamped down.
So if Adderall isn’t available or too expensive I buy cocaine and use small amounts to combat my condition.
Caffeine is a very good stimulant for treating adhd symptoms as well. It has a very similar wake up affect to cocaine when taken sublingually or snorted. Take this with a grain of salt, as it needs to be carefully dosed still to avoid heart damage, so much more so when taken in those ways. Not recommending it as a substitute for real prescription meds of course, but it is a world better for you long term than cocaine.
Alcohol. Before getting formally diagnosed and medicated, drinking was the only thing that would quiet the inner restlessness. It worked but it’s not a healthy lifestyle at all.
This is something I like to bring up to people who are hesitant to medicate their kids. Yeah, I know you think Timmy is fine because he’s not completely failing in school, but you should at least show Timmy that he has options and that it’s OK to talk to a doctor and take medication if he needs it. He doesn’t have to rely on Jack Daniels and Folgers to eek his way through life.
This one surprised me, too.
I had a nasty habit of waiting until the evening to do my papers in college, because that was when it was acceptable to have some wine or whiskey while I wrote. But it was amazing just how much easier it was to stay on task after having a drink, and during finals - or after college when i was on deadline - i would alternate between liters of coffee in the morning and several drinks in the evening.
Now that I’m medicated both coffee and alcohol are just occasional indulgences… well, alcohol is at least. But I didn’t expect it to help curb my impulsive consumption habits like it has- it’s been a game-changer.
Neurotypicals think they have this superior discipline and attitude to “get on the task”, and I believed them, too! Now, medicated, I realise that they only work on these constant dopamine micro rewards in their prefrontal cortex. Which I now get, too.
I’ve been cutting back on caffeine finally because I thought it was my medicine giving me anxiety, and I’m pretty sure it’s the caffeine. Now I’m usually at about two cups of coffee in the morning (the mug I have is American large, and I always seem to fill it up).
I think I got this from lemmy?
Look, as long as I can convince myself to go to sleep and not hyperfocus on whatever is in front of me I’ll be fine. Problem is, it’s a 50/50 toss up whether or not I can ignore my brain on any given night.
I had this too, everyone around me went “just close your eyes and sleep” and that had the exact opposite effect on me, now I take meds (seroquel at a low dose) and I finally understand NT people, I get sleepy at about 11 pm and can sleep in 5 minutes from laying down, if you have the chance to talk to some doctor about it, please do, it changed my life
What if caffeine doesnt work on me?
I got 10 hours of sleep last night, drank a coffee at noon. Still crashed at 130 and had to take an afternoon nap like normal.
I believe it’s common for ADHD folks that caffeine doesn’t energize you, but it might help you concentrate better. Or it might not. I don’t know, really. I drink copious amounts of coffee and energy drinks and still have trouble concentrating.
Caffeine’s problem and virtue as a common stimulant is that bodies adapt to it readily and become dependent. Blood pressure doesn’t spike when you’re used to it, sleep is less effected, etc.
Caffeine’s problem as self medication for ADHD is that as a result it’s more of an addiction than a self-medication. The short and long term benefits are minimal and it’s more of a comforting habit than treatment. Maybe ADHD peeps are chasing that initial benefit, or maybe we just use it because it’s legal and we’re tired from staying up late.
I used to drink over two liters of coffee every day. I stopped that a few years ago, now i typically only have it one or twice a week. I dont think I feel any different compared when i was drinking it regularl or when i drink a lone cuppa now, as if my body has become immune to caffeine from using it so heavily for many years.
I dont see how I can concentrate if im passed out in the middle of the day lol.
That’s fair
Ditto. I’ve tried “coffee naps” but with tea. I just end up sleeping through it.
Apparently videogames are a “medication” for my adhd because since i started adderol they don’t “pull me in” like they used to.
I miss it a little bit, it’s also kinda weird but its also nice to not be compelled to play like before
Your brain is dopamine deprived, video games are designed to get our dumb monkey brains to squeeze out all the happy juice. Adderall floods your brain with dopamine so the video games just don’t hit like they used to.
They suck me in easily, that’s why I stopped playing completely
Did you ever get the “brain feels weird, like the waves are a different shape” after a long deep dive in a game? Only games and books do it to me, books being a less janky, more smooth but definitely different sensation.
God please say yes it’s not only me right? what’s up with my worm-meat?
I don’t underdtand, rephrase the feeling please
Yeah i got a bit weird with my description haha… After a long session of hyperfocusing (on a game you’ve been sucked in by for example), do you ever feel odd for a few minutes after disconnecting from that focus?
Usually for me it ends on me going to bed because I played for 5 hours and haven’t done anything that I needed to do, which makes me sad and sleepy at the same time so I just go bed. But since I stopped playing games and went to the gym it has gotten a lot better, I recommend you to go to gym even if you are not a big fan of it
Thanks!
Yes! I get this if I stay up too late doomscrolling. But by the time it happens, it’s too late to do anything about it. It also makes me vaguely…nauseous? I’m not sure if that’s the correct word, but it makes something in me physically uneasy as well.
Videogames weren’t a medication, they were just something you were drawn to.
Oh i absolutely use(d) games to calm my anxiety, “straighten out” my chaotic thoughts and silence the intrusive ideation.
It’s like a soother, but it doesn’t help the actual cause so not medication.
Ok
I used to drink 4 red bulls or 2-3 rockstar energy drinks per day. This was on top of any coffee.
Now, diagnosed and medicated, I’m down to zero and I rarely drink coffee.
I was clearing three, sometimes even four Rockstars per day not too long ago. Just got to where they didn’t even affect me much, and cracking open fresh ones throughout the day just made me feel alert and good. I got it back down to just one every morning around 5 or 6am, with maybe a second in the afternoon once per week – usually on a Saturday or Sunday when running errands and trying to survive parenthood. I’m in my late-thirties now, and need to find an effective alternative, but coffee makes me feel poisoned… almost like there’s toxic metals coursing through my veins.
Tried pairing coffee with taurine to counteract the negative side-effects of the caffeine, but it doesn’t work quite as well without whatever witch’s brew they throw in with it in energy drinks.
I love redbull and I have Gamersupps powder that is basically energy drink in a powder. It’s a good replacement for when I don’t have a redbull handy. Very very similar effect on my body
Try caffeine pills instead of coffee.
Caffeine pills gave me heart arrhythmia for like 2 months. I had to wear a monitor and everything.
Pill form is so much more potent, and I was splitting them, effectively bypassing the coating that helps it dissolve slowly. Your body is just not meant to absorb 150mg of caffeine instantaneously. Crazy I know.
I became a pothead because it made the cacophony of thoughts in my head stfu. I didn’t realize that my thoughts were like that because of ADHD, since I was only diagnosed in my 30’s (started smoking weed when I was 19).
This seems sooo extremely common among software engineers.
people do the same with caffeine and nicotine - both calm us down and allow us to function a little better whilst having pretty much the opposite effect to the expected one (instead of faster we get slower, but being slower makes us faster as the usual speed we go at can easily be too overwhelming)
not such a fan fact: adhd folks are nearly twice as likely to be smokers than non-adhd people
Snap
Same here. And I consume a lot less pot the days I take my ADHD meds.
Chewing gum almost every waking moment of the day. People used to assume I was trying to quit smoking, I would joke that I was actually trying to build my way up to starting.
I used to love chewing gum until a dentist scared me away from it. As a result, my undiagnosed grinding destroyed most of my teeth…
I am thankful that my dentist talked me into switching to a sugar-free brand years ago. Probably saved me a couple teeth so far.
I’m sorry. If you can still chew, ice breakers has Xylitol which is good for teeth.
What’s “ice breakers”?
A brand of gum and mints.
It’s the gum I chew instead of grinding my teeth and also when I’m sticking to my diet while feeding my husband ice cream (he’s quadriplegic and skinny)
Wow people that drank redbull have kids in college already, I guess it does make you move quicker
Red bull was invented in ’87…
Big if true! Would’ve never thought red bull was older than me!
I definitely haven’t drunk it this millennium
True, but it depends on their country. Wasn’t brought to the UK until '94 and the US in '96. And on top of that when did they become widespread in their respective country?
Very well could be true, could be an anachronism, or could be someone who refers to all energy drinks as red bull.
But the real irony is doing this research for an ADHD meme.
I was drinking Red Eye before I could drink beer (18 in Australia) so probably in 1993 or '94. That has the same caffeine level as red bull, tasted better too.
Or I’m old enough that I was drinking red bull when it came out, in college in the early 90’s and stopped by about 2000 when I was in uni because it was what gave me the worst hangovers… sometimes “research” is just remembering things
Sorry, I meant my research not yours.
Recently got diagnosed with asthma and just have an albuterol inhaler till I can see a specialist in 4 plus months, haven’t been able to get an ADHD test despite my doctors referral, just so you have a preface for my story here.
On days I work toward my goals I generally start with a 16 oz doubled tea, gives me stimulants which I can’t get at the moment and I generally am able to focus on my tasks for 2 hour stents or so. I have some days though that despite getting rest and having a dose of caffeine I get real low energy around my first hour. Recently, during one of these moments I was trying to take a break and realized my breathing was quite shallow and I was somewhat short of breath, so I used my inhaler and I had a rush of energy and was able to knock out all my tasks with energy to spare. Turns out most of my low energy days have been actually about my low blood oxygen and the effects of having undiagnosed asthma. This has happened to me several times now and it blows me away each time. I think to myself “So this is how normal people breath and get so much done.”
My sympathies as a fellow asthma sufferer, but congrats on the medication at least. It’s really crazy how much easier everything in general is when you can breathe!
Dang a pug with ADHD. I’m glad you have it somewhat sorted, though.
Too accurate lol.
For my own research purpose, would you be able to test your oxygen levels with those check oxygen meters that we get or may be one of those inbuilt Oxygen meters in smart watches?
I’m too poor to own a smart watch, maybe an idea for when I can.
Edit: Also they haven’t gave me an oxygen meter. Perhaps that is something the specialist does but not doctor in my state?
You could get one of the fingertip sensors, they’re not terribly expensive.
Thanks for the suggestion.
What were your oxygen levels?
Nicotine. I started smoking at 16. Vaping now but nicotine and caffeine are carrying me through my unmedicated life
I would hazard that’s less unmedicated and more self medicated.
You’re not wrong haha. Can’t wait to be able to afford proper medicine
looks awkwardly at the next administration
All I need is one prescription bottle with my name on it and then it’s all onions from there
Same, nicotine is the only reason I can hold a job.
I read somewhere that nicotine decreases the half-life of caffeine in your system, allowing you to consume more caffeine and feel fewer effects from it.
This would explain the common trope of people smoking cigarettes and drinking coffee.
That being said, this is pulled out of my memory and I would have to spend quite a while trying to find any evidence of it, although everybody I know that smokes are consumes nicotine also consumes quite a bit of caffeine.
Got curious and looked it up, you’re right!
So much fucking coffee. My god it was too much.
W dad
Tea. Extremely strong tea, the kind russian convicts drink.
suprised nobody said smoking weed, i smoke like 10 times a day minimum
That sounds a bit concerning, ngl >_<
People that “smoke 10x a day” usually take half a day to go through a single joint. Still a lot of weed but not at the level you’re thinking.
You would be surprised. When I am tolerant for a high dose I can vape 6 or 7 times a day which equates to around 3g of strong weed. And that would be every day. About 90g per month.
Yes I have a problem.
I had to get rid of my vape to cut down on the ease of smoking cuz my tolerance was such i was needing to step up to wax concentrates (and i don’t wanna). I have a huge sack in front of me but needing to roll a j is juuust enough to slow me down some
I had to stop smoking because of health reasons. My lungs are fucked. Now when I consume it’s only rosin oil vape or edibles.
I assume that’s somewhere where weed is legal and cheap (and vapes are available)
In my country, 90 grams of weed would cost you 1800 euros at street prices (though I suppose at 90 grams a month you’re moving more than some low level dealers so maybe you get a discount). That’s slightly above the median monthly salary of ~1600 euros.
I started when it was illegal and now there are shops where I can buy it like alcohol. But I couldn’t afford that so I learned to grow my own.
Gotcha. I am not that familiar with the lingo :)
i normally use a flower vape, it uses little refillable capsules that hold about .1 gram, so if i smoke ten times i know i have only smoked 1 gram, but yeah thats still a decent amount imo.
It’s used as a treatment in some places. I believe it’s a qualifier for UK medical cannabis.
Weed can be very helpful for focus. Not necessarily very helpful for clear thinking, but it can be very good for getting started on something so that you can come back to it later when you’re sober.
It’s also fantastic if you have trouble breaking out of a negative thought cycle. On stressful nights, weed is the only thing that gets my brain to finally STFU and sleep.
Doesn’t always work that way for me, unfortunately. Weed often makes it impossible to avoid or ignore negative self-image problems that I’m usually constantly pushing down.
I’m in the middle of diagnosis. I do have Bipolar and have been medicated for 4 years or so. My shrink and I suspect that ADHD is there. It seems to be a common comorbidity. I was self-medicating with alcohol, until I got to a very bad place.
Both bipolar and ADHD have a frightening percentage of substance abuse, often as a form of self medication.
I went to the shrink around the time when I got sober. Quitting drinking and meds literally saved my life.
BTW, I got sober thanks to SMART Recovery. SMART is science based and behavior oriented, so even if you don’t have an addiction problem (substances and/or behaviors), You can learn a lot of stuff applicable to behavioral problems. Much of the program is based on Cognitive Behavioral therapies, no higher power required. Confidential. Free.
I’ve stopped taking lots of strong tea with sugar, because despite kinda helping with work, it makes me really depressed.
