This is why I don’t fuck guys who “don’t pay attention to politics”.
That means one thing, and it isn’t that they are blissfully unaware of the day to day happenings in their town, county, state, region, country, or planet of residence.
Eh, sometimes it means another thing, namely that they know their conservatism is off-putting to most women and they’re lying to get you into bed.
That’s exactly what OP is saying
I was responding to the previous comment, not OP. OP was saying conservatives get upset when people won’t sleep with them because they’re conservative. From the text of the comment I responded to, it looks like the person is saying “moderates” just don’t care about anyone but themselves. I’m adding that often the people the actual OP is talking about pretend to be the moderates the previous commenter is discussing.
The person you responded to initially is talking about conservatives hiding that about themselves lol. That’s why they said it the way they did.
Ayy gurl, I love politics.
Ayyy!
Ayy lmao
I bartend. I was working on Easter, and one of our semi regulars came in with a guy that she was obviously on a drink date with. They’d been at at least one other bar before they came in; they’d had a couple drinks, but weren’t past maybe tipsy.
At one point, she mentioned that the reason the last place they’d been to was slow was likely that it happened to be Easter. At the mention of the word the guy interrupted with,
“I REFUSE TO TALK ABOUT ANY POLITICS OR RELIGION!!”
To me this was a sign that this dude cared very much about religion and politics, but just like how scientologists don’t drop the Xenu shit on you right away, he wanted to wait until any prospective partner was in too deep before revealing how abhorrent his views are.
That regular isn’t my favorite person, but I was proud of her for pretty much ending that date after that.
Yeah, that’s another one of those.
I’ve never had anyone who said politics and religion aren’t good conversation actually be worth having those conversations with. Everyone else from every other walk of life has no problem having a nuanced conversation about that stuff, it’s only ever WASPs that get all indignant and force everyone else to stop talking.
One of my coworkers had asked something about trans people and bathrooms, and I started to say my piece, but mid sentence the owner comes back like “under no circumstances are you allowed to have this conversation here”.
Oh yeah, so threatening to say that I don’t care who is in what bathroom if they don’t do anything that violates another guests bodily autonomy.
So controversial and brave.
We’ve spent plenty of time talking about the different racist inspired restaurants in the area and the deplorable dog whistle specials they offer, never cared about that offending anyone.
The restaurant in question was the MoonCricket Grille, and they were offering $0.49 Bud lights after the outrage about them in honor of the 49 who died at the Pulse nightclub.
I hate this place…
That’s literally a bar rule. Lol. Alcohol makes people talk like they are on the internet in real life. Doesn’t make sense to discuss nuance when you’ve been drinking especially with the touchy subjects.
Alcohol makes people talk like they are on the internet in real life
fucking lol
Alcohol makes people talk like they are on the internet in real life
fucking lol
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In my experience, that’s the case 100% of the time. I’ve never once in my 30+ years heard a liberal say the same thing. It’s always
NazisRepublicans trying to deflect and sweep their shitty views under the rug because they think it’s some kind of trump card to get around their awful views and have civilized society allow them back in so they can spread their hate.I mean I was apolitical for most of my life, honestly. Barely followed news at all. It’s just depressing.
No offense, but that’s exactly why we’re currently fighting fascism in America: apathetic folks like you that don’t care. Do you vote ever?
I’m not a citizen: I can’t vote.
So why are we having this discussion?
I think there’s a difference between someone who doesn’t pay attention to politics and someone who just doesn’t want to argue politics. Someone who doesn’t pay attention to politics at all is too sheltered and doesn’t understand the issues that have been going on and affect a lot of people, so a lot of those people don’t want to date someone who won’t be able to understand something vital to them and that has an effect on their lives. Especially since someone who hasn’t been paying attention likely doesn’t have a lot of the same principles and beliefs.
Eh, not necessarily. It could mean a variety of different things
It depends on why they don’t pay attention to politics. Personally, I kind of have to go ostrich-mode and bury my head in the sand when school gets stressful because I just don’t have the mental bandwidth to deal with both. I’m not going to judge someone too harshly for protecting their mental health from the absolute shitshow that is the American political landscape.
PS: This is not to say that any degree of modern conservatism is okay. Bigots can go fuck themselves and I’d be out punching Nazis and being a medic at protests if it didn’t jeopardize my future so significantly. (Felony convictions make it really hard to get a medical license and I have to pay off my student loans somehow. Besides, I’ll be in a much better position to make a meaningful difference as a physician than as a heavily indebted student or EMT.)
this. you can pay little attention to politics without being a “centrist” who isn’t actually a centrist. news can be depressing as fuck, i’m hella glad i strongly limited my consumption of them, but that doesn’t mean i’m gonna start both-sidesing shit. (with the exception of tankies vs nazis, because those two are in fact the same authoritarian, anti-west, bigoted crap under different flags that love to larp against each other)
Or they’re pretending to be blissfully unaware, but secretly hate you for being an independent woman.
This is my go-to response whenever anyone wants to start talking politics with me. Mainly because whenever someone wants to talk politics it’s usually not because they’re liberal and I really hate talking with people who just want to prove that their opinion is the right one.
I’ll admit I’ve used it for similar reasons. What I really should be saying is “I’m sorry, but I don’t want to talk about this right now.” Maybe I’ll even be brave and say “I don’t want to talk about this with you.” but it’s rare for me to find a person I don’t want to hear at all from. That usually comes up because they’ve already made their arguments, and I’ve already accepted or rebuttal the points to my own satisfaction. At that point they’ll talk themselves into circles looking for justification for parts of their stance, but unable to articulate it themselves. I’ll listen to anyone’s views at least once, given I’m in the right mindset, but I still wouldn’t date someone I don’t morally agree with. Life partners should have higher standards than conversation partners, and aligning values is a bare minimum for relationships.
Call that the free market economy biiiaaatch
The last conservative I matched with was immediately bragging about being unvaccinated, was in his late 30’s, openly religious, desperate for kids.
If you’re openly conservative, you’re baring your soul about women’s rights, and if women don’t want to sleep with you as a result, you made your damn bed.
Some women dig that. Not every woman believes the same things you do. There’s even a thing called the quiver full movement where people like the duggars deliberately have as many children as possible to outnumber people like you.
Most women (and men) believe the things their parents teach them.
The thing with conservatives is they want to 1) prevent any other information flowing to these women, religious indoctrination only 2) get these women pregnant young so that they don’t have a chance to gain independence
So yeah in those cases you have grown women who believe these things. The Duggars are an example of the ‘quiver full’ movement in action. Letting their son abuse their daughters young so that they get used to it and defend it as normal.
My parents used to fearmonger the everliving shit about LGBTQ+ and abortion, and as a small kid I ate that shit up. But then at some point, my brain probably developed some modicum of critical thinking and thought, wait a minute, why in the world does it matter to me what people do with their own lives, if it doesn’t even affect me or anyone else for that matter? Why are my parents, along with every single bigot, incorrectly think that they are entitled to weigh in on someone else’s life decisions?
Every single argument from them boils down to “because religion”, but as someone who was raised Catholic (agnostic now), one of the things that they taught me was quite literally to “love thy neighbour” and to not shit on people only because of their beliefs. So why are the very same people who taught me that now doing the opposite of what they preach, trying (and fortunately failing) to shit on other people just because they don’t have the same beliefs? “My religion says it’s not OK,” well they don’t believe in the same things you do and could not give less of a shit about what you believe, so why not just leave them alone and let them live their life? It was around that point that I realised they were just hypocrites, and absolutely nothing more.
I grew up extremely conservative christian (homeschooled, no tv, women don’t work outside the house) and was taught that anything other than married man and women was evil.
The thing is we were also taught critical thinking and logic albeit it was to compare “new teachings” against the bible. My parents always said since the bible is true [sic] it would stand up to any scrutiny. They thankfully never learned the lesson most christian leaders have that Christianity needs to be mandated for it to be effective. Obviously the bible did not hold up to logic and I’m now a proud atheist and in the process of healing.
Man, that’s worse than what I experienced growing up. Out of curiosity, why did you decide to go with atheism? Personally, I’m agnostic (I think that’s the right term) because I see no compelling evidence or argument for either side, and I am of the opinion that a human’s finite brain could never even come close to figuring out the answer. And no, the Bible isn’t evidence, not one that’s even close to being the slightest bit rigorous at least. To me, it’s as much evidence for Christianity as the Harry Potter books are for wizardry.
You’re confusing belief with knowledge.
If you don’t believe in a deity, guess what, you’re an atheist regardless of whether you know for sure a god doesn’t exist or not.
Most atheists are agnostic because it’s not on us to prove that a god doesn’t exist, no one should ever take the burden of proving a negative.
Huh, never thought of it that way, thanks for that. If you’ll excuse me, I have quite a lot of rethinking to do.
That’s not entirely true, most definitions of Agnosticism frame it as a different position from Atheism.
Plus, you don’t have to prove something to believe it, if you’re convinced that there is no god you can define yourself an Atheist, that’s it. Agnostics are just “on the fence” and have no horse in the race.
The journey went: disappointment with God, angry at God, apathetic, agnostic, then atheist. I considered myself agnostic for a long time but it always felt a bit like a compromise for me, like it’s more palatable to think “Oh, I just don’t know one way or another” over seeing god as a stopgap for holes in knowledge.
Rather than the approach of attributing less and less to the divine over time, I decided to attribute nothing and go from there.
Saying that one can’t disprove god’s existence feels the same to me as saying a watermelon is blue inside until it’s observed.
Thanks for your perspective!
Regarding your last point, we only know that the flesh of a watermelon is indeed red because we’ve seen it before. If, say, an alien would suddenly come to Earth and be presented with a watermelon, they would not know what colour it is without cracking it open or otherwise probing it with various tools (granted of course that they perceive colour like we do)
Attributing nothing to the divine is also the way I go about it. We have scientific explanations for most phenomenon we see on a daily basis, and for those we do not, I do think we will find scientific explanations for them one day. None of the mysteries of the universe that would later be answered have been caused by the supernatural, so I have no reason to think it will be different.
However, I do think that a lack of observable trace of a “divine being” is not necessarily an evidence of nonexistence. To me, my agnosticism is not a form of compromise, but a recognition of the limitations of humans, as well as an acknowledgement relative inconsequence the question of whether a divine being exists or not is to the universe and to my own life. If nothing in my life or in the known universe can be attributed to the divine, why does it matter whether it exists or not? If an extraterrestrial exists in some distant galaxy, surely it would not matter to them whether I exist or not. That’s the way I think of the idea of divine beings.
Anyways, it’s kind of great to be able to ramble about this on the internet, most of the people I know are religious and unfortunately would not be very tolerant of this type of viewpoint.
You seem to have confused Conservative politics with Fundamentalist Christianity. They are separate ideals but hard to find separately currently. Somebody can be a fiscal conservative and not buy into the social fundamental conservative position.
Check again, conservatives are no longer fiscally conservative and have not been for several decades. That facade has entirely fallen away to reveal the real:
- fundamentalist christians
- racists
- filthy rich people who want tax cuts for the rich (do not confuse this with being fiscally conservative)
They are fiscally conservative… but only for any government programs that aren’t tax cuts for the rich.
What do you think fiscally conservative means?
it should result in reducing the deficit - which republicans don’t and democrats do.
all the GOP does is cut the taxes of rich and raise the taxes of the middle class, while running up the deficit overall.
That is exactly what fiscally conservative means. That’s 100% what I expect when a politician has conservative economic views. Conservatives value keeping the status quo, and the status quo is capitalism, with the rich getting richer.
Being conservative ≠ liking the GOP
Being conservative = tangentially supporting GOP policies
Not every GOP policy is bad. Do you think stuff like freedom of speech is a bad thing?
Your meds, take them
This be libertarian. Me no bother you. You no take my money/freedom/et al.
Democrats and republicans are all corporate national socialists who want to take all your shit and trick you into liking it.
That has nothing to do with conservatism. Just because some people who are conservative said that, doesn’t mean that that’s a part of it. Please attack specific ideas, not groups of people.
Conservatism is a set of ideas
That’s been Catholicism’s playbook since day one. There’s a reason they’re so against any kind of sex that doesn’t lead to procreation.
Course, it also used to be rooted in the fact that medicine was trash for a long time, and a lot of kids died, so you’d want to have as many as you could to give some a shot at living a full life. But that’s not the case anymore, so yeah, the only reasons to have as many kids as possible is as you say, to outnumber the sane people, and to keep the working class populated, so we inch closer and closer to Idiocracy becoming reality every day.
But hey, look at those shareholder’s profits!
Well, that and replacement theory.
They think it’s up to them to keep the skin as white as possible.
I don’t know why. I’m about as pale as you can get, and it is by far the WEAKEST of skin colors. We literally cannot go out in the sun without protection.
Sure, everyone should wear sunscreen, but I can get burnt walking out to the mailbox!
Ah. Sounds like you have fine genes my friend. The best genes.
Have you considered endless breeding?
Not only is it a lot of fun, but you can pass on those great genes you got there.
For real though, I have a red headed daughter and one that should have been a redhead. She got everything but the hair. The freckles, the pale blue eyes. A beam of light comes through the window and she starts smoking. Someone turns on a 100W lightbulb and she blisters. I get what you’re saying.
Accidentally deleted but yeah I’ve noticed an influx of conservative men matching with me despite clear indications that I’m liberal. Unfortunately I do know these sorts of women exist, but maybe conservative men should seek them out instead of someone clearly liberal who doesn’t want to make their body a baby factory.
They like the idea of dating a liberal woman so they can control her.
"Hey girl, why don’t you take those shoes off and come into the kitchen?
Oh yeah, you like those historic gender roles don’t you… 😘"
That’s hot.
You know what else is hot? This water for the dishes.
Lol I’m sure that’s a thing, but for me and most women I know, that’s a red flag.
Well, yeah. I think that’s the whole topic here.
Or maybe because they don’t have such extreme opinions like everyone here seems to think.
I think some of them fetishize the idea of “turning them conservative” with their dick or some shit
If there’s women who dig it, that’s their bag, but I’ve absolutely experienced an influx of conservative dudes trying to match with me and I’m openly liberal. Wild that these women exist but the dudes don’t seem as into them.
Because these guys don’t want the full trade off of gender roles the conservatives promote. Many conservative women expect dating with the intent of marriage and at some point having the husband be able to support a household where the wife stays home and takes care of the house and children.
You say that kind of like it sounds like a good strategy to you? Sounds like a fucked way to think about society to me
…that you’ll be sleeping alone in, lol.
Exactly
I almost dated a conservative but covid saved me.
The moment it hit, her conservative powers went omega level and I was able to dodge a bullet by wanting to vaccinate early
Well, just you wait. You be dead by CHRISTmas 2021. That wat you get to.
Either you be dead or you be turned too zombie to be controlled by Fow-chi Chinese army.
This hole thing poplation control. Wat wuflu dont kill, vaxine will. Or zombie like I said.
Mark my world. Ded by CHRISTmas 2021. Mark my world
Soros. Hoosane Obama. Fow-chi. Biden. CNN. That ur god.
She dodge the bullet.
:p
The really funny part was she was pretty normal until MAGA and the alt right radicalized her via lies
She turned into that shockingly quickly
My best guess is that something was wrong with her that she hid deep inside until it was let out
My best guess is that something was wrong with her that she hid deep inside until it was let out
Probably. Reminds me a lot of the guys back in HS who would be super women positive and “feminist” when girls were in earshot, but say horrendously awful shit when it was “just us guys”(I wasn’t friends with them either, they just thought it was ok to say around guys in general), up to and including rape apologia in at least one instance. All asshole trump supporters now last I knew.
And they wondered why 90% of my friends in HS were girls.
Mark my world got me. I’m picturing her squatting near some building to mark it as hers.
R Kelly style
Why would anyone date a conservative, it isn’t safe?
Even if it was safe like ew you don’t believe in equality that’s just unattractive af
Your username indicates you don’t do much dating of men… (Not that it invalidates your point)
Women can be conservatives too. Still gross.
Margorie Taylor Green fits in here. shudders
It’s a long-lost heteronym: Woe, man.
There are absolutely conservative queer women, they’re very much not the sort of person you want to date
Yeah. Regardless of what actions they personally take, they do advocate and vote for your death.
Imagine dating someone whose beliefs actively belittle you.
Well, Republicans tend to vote for policies that go against their own self-interests if they get boogeyman’s enough by Tucker and Donald, so it wouldn’t surprise me that there exist Conservative women who date against their own self interests.
Being ok with being conservative is akin to being ok with being stupid. It’s basically an admission of idiocy.
No. Stupid isn’t something you choose. As an adult, bigotry absolutely is.
Ignorance is a choice, too. I’ve met so many people who are proud of being ignorant. I once met a woman who was in her mid 30s who was explicitly against learning new things because…reasons?
Ignorance can be something you choose, but only if you’re actually smart enough to make the choice.
Stupid is as stupid does.
Gonna have to agree to disagree on that one, barring very different understandings of the word “stupidity.” Cognition and action are different things, and pretending they’re the same doesn’t improve the efficacy of interventions.
The difference between ignorance and proud ignorance is ginormous.
Seriously, conservatives want to pretend like we’re all just regular people so what do our political views matter right? But if The last 8 years have taught me anything it is that every conservative is some level of a bigot, even if you can get along with them, purely based off their political goals. Sorry, you can’t just work your ass off to deny people rights and sequester people you don’t like, then call it a “political view”.
Worse than stupid. Malicious. Harmful. Hateful.
ngl, last time some conservative started flirting with me she got pissed of when i said i wasnt interested because they were a tory flag shagger, and then she called me a slur because im queer
The hinges on the meat chasm closed for all conservatives on 24 June 2022.
Please m’lady, just a crumb of pussy?
What happened that day?
24 June 2022
Supreme Court overturned Roe v. Wade
Jesus… It’s been a year already?
Roe v. Wade overturned.
Why does the choice of a few select people mean that a huge number of people are now terrible?
When you don’t actively kick out the terrible people in your group, you are making a choice to say “this is something I am willing to tolerate.” So I’ll ask, if you are a conservative and recognize that there are bad actors in your conservative party, are you calling out those bad actors? Or just putting your head down and joining rank and file because your party told you to?
Also, it’s basically impossible to get rid of supreme court justices, and for good reason. It allows them to rule on cases based only on what they legitimately believe to be the correct decision. The supreme court’s job isn’t to decide right from wrong, it’s to decide legal from illegal. If you don’t like their ruling, the way to change it should be through Congress, not though the courts.
It allows them to rule on cases based only on what they legitimately believe to be the correct decision.
I wish I was this blissfully ignorant.
What other reasons would they have to make the rulings they do?
I’m not a member of a political party. I vote for candidates, not parties. If you just vote for a specific party, which ever one that may be, that’s lazy. I don’t care if they’re republican or democrat, I care about what they value.
Also, you can’t really actively kick out member from a party, all you can do is just not vote for them.
This is so hilariously uneducated to the current political situation that I really hope you’re arguing in bad faith instead of just that stupid.
It doesn’t matter what the political situation is, you should vote for specific candidates, not just blindly vote for your party, whichever one that may be, and then call anyone who doesn’t fully support your party evil.
It doesn’t matter what the political situation is
You seem like an idealist, which I have some respect for, but you also have to account for reality. And the reality is, we don’t really vote for individual candidates anymore. We vote for one party or the other to have an additional vote. Elected politicians hardly ever vote outside of their party anymore. It’s not ideal but it is reality. If you vote for multiple candidates of different political parties, you’re just making noise.
And that’s a bad systematic problem. But voting based on the candidate should help to slowly fix it. While there is a very clear difference between democrat and republican, there are still differences between candidates of the same party.
If you vote only for the candidates that are closest to the center, then candidates will compete to be closer. But if you just vote for a party, then the candidates have to no incentive to compete.
posts like these make me wish lemmy has sort by controversial button
You should date someone with at least some reasonable overlap of ideals. If you wish to have a family unit, like conservatives certainly do, you need to have common ground and mutual respect or you will end up with yet another single mother raising a potentially negative statistic and father losing his child or bailing.
So what you’re saying is: relationships require respect? Yeah, that’s one reason a lot of leftism is built upon respect for one another. Conservatism, the best I can understand stand it relies on feeding an outdated lie that there are multiple classes of people, some being better and more deserving than others.
But yeah, you don’t respect your partner you lose your partner, but that does not a conservative or conservative argument make.
I feel attacked now lol
Do you not have an overlapping fundamental agreement with your partner about how the world works and what’s moral values are most important?
Like you’re not gonna agree on everything I know, but “are some people inherently better than others, should a justice system focus on punishment or rehabilitation, is education valuable for society, was the earth created by evolution or God, do you want kids(+ a couple questions if “yes”)” are, in my mind, things you need to agree on with the person you intend to share your life with.
Oh no, you gotta figure out what sort of situation works for you. It is beneficial to find someone that has some overlapping ideals as yourself, heck most of your friends and you probably already have some overlap you may not have thought about.
Good lord the replies to this are sad. Believe it or not it’s a perfectly reasonable expectation to only want to date someone whose core beliefs align with yours (and, y’know, actually respects your rights as an independent human being.)
“in looking for a woman who will respect my core beliefs as an independent human being, which include not treating her like an independent human being”
As someone with a right-wing father and a left-wing mother: for fuck’s sake date people with your same beliefs. Deep disagreement on something like that is NOT something you can build a trustful relationship upon.
Holy shit, I can’t imagine being in such a relationship even just for a small amount of time. Having kids with someone I fundamentally disagree with is just on another level.
I guess if you’re not into politics/news at all, it can kind of happen. 🤷
Admittedly, we’re not in the US so the divide is much smaller, but Jesus Christ listening to them arguing over half the stuff that came up on TV has definitely not been a pleasant experience.
There are a lot of trad women looking for these dudes, it’s just that these dudes are often… rather undesirable for other reasons
It’s fine to have dating preferences. The issue is when people who are just calling anyone who is conservative leaning terrible. If you don’t agree with someone’s political ideology, you should just respectfully disagree, not call them a terrible person.
Also, calling people evil for their options is a terribly way to convince them to change, it just makes them get really defensive. If you want to convince someone to change opinion, you need to have a respectful, insightful discussion.
Well it’s a bit difficult to “respectfully disagree” when someone wants to take away my rights.
Being conservative doesn’t mean you want to take away people’s rights.
Okay that’s great you don’t support that but the party you say you support is doing exactly that.
I don’t support any party. But I do support not attacking people based on their opinions.
The meme here didn’t even call anyone evil. That said, if you guys don’t want to be called evil, stop supporting evil shit.
Conservative policies not only rob women of the rights to their own bodies, it gets them killed too. Either conservatives openly support this or they’re somehow too naive to see what the politicians they vote for are doing, and both are good reasons for women to stay the hell away from them.
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Just being conservative leaning doesn’t mean you are far right, and agree with everything the conservative party does.
what else are they doing that you’re for? please be specific
I’m genuinely curious what reason someone has to support them. Like genuinely. I look at Republicans and am like how the fuck can anyone that isn’t rich and in power be on that side? And then I remember the very potent tactics of fearmongering
Conservatives are actively supporting the oppression of LGBTQ people, however, and voting for far-right politicians
Not everyone who has some conservative opinions wants to oppress people and vote for far-right politicians.
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Being conservative learning doesn’t mean you want to oppress people. It means you want less government regulation.
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This is what so many of them think. If they really don’t have a problem dating someone left leaning it either means they get off on tearing down strong women or don’t really know what they believe and are still just parroting mommy and daddy’s beliefs.
This kind of shit was a big motivation for me to leave reddit, and now it’s already on Lemmy. Great.
You can have right leaning beliefs and not be a bigot. Hell, I’m not even right leaning but many of my friends and family are. They are not racist, sexist, transphobic… This kind of post just makes the left look childish.
ETA: you can have conservative views and not vote republican. The republican party is a fucking joke.
I don’t see how people who aren’t racist, sexist or transphobic could vote for conservatives when 75% of Republican campaigning (other than “guns and taxes!”) is focused on being racist, sexist and transphobic. People who aren’t any of those things are turned off by it and would not vote for republicans.
Sure you can lean conservative but if in the modern era you’re supporting and voting republican you’re either in denial, or complicit. There’s not much the Republicans have in common with conservative values these days.
Exactly. What’s so conservatism about trying to murder congress and overthrow American democracy again, like what happened on Jan. 6? These traitors sure aren’t trying to preserve the Union, that’s for damn sure.
They are not racist, sexist, transphobic…
But it’s not a deal breaker either.
it’s already on Lemmy
Lemmy was created by communists for communists, conservatives, “centrists” and liberals gtfo out
You can have right leaning beliefs and not be a bigot
the entirety of conservativism is openly classist, the entire ideology is built on ruthlessly attacking and stripping away protection for those most vulnerable in society. Besides, just because your family wont openly call me a slur for being trans it doesnt mean they aren’t supporting a party who market themselves on wanting to strip away my rights. Frankly, you cant be pro-american at all without implicitly supporting the horrific crimes they have historically committed whether within their own borders or outside.
Many of my family and some of my um, not quite friends, are conservative, and all are varying degrees of racist, sexist, or transphobic. Granted, that’s just anecdotal, but have a hard time believing people who vote for bigots aren’t somewhat bigoted themselves if they’re willing to throw vulnerable populations under the bus for 0.5% lower taxes or whatever.
“Many of [your friends and family]” vote for legalizing racism, sexism, and now literally the attempted overthrow of the United States of America. If your friends and family vote for that and vote for taking away peoples human rights, they’re terrible people. Maybe they’re nice to you but they’re actively ruining other people’s lives. Your cowardice in continuating to associate with, tolerate, and defend these people and their evil behaviors is childish. “But! but! some of my friends are in the Schutzstaffel, they can’t be all bad!” Grow up.
There’s always Voat you can try, it should line up better for you.
they aren’t
You just haven’t seen it yet. Try coming out to them as trans, see how that goes for you.
This post doesn’t mention bigotry, racism, sexism, or transphobia. So what are you talking about?
One of the most self-damning things about Republicans is how quick they are to start defending allegations of bigotry, racism, sexism, transphobia, treason against America, etc. upon the first mention of conservatism, without noticing that they’re usually the first to bring up those topics. It’s almost like the very concept of conservatism and bigotry against people for their “station” at birth are inseparable, and any attempt to pretend otherwise is just that: pretend.
If right-leaning, but not bigoted, there is a lot of space within the Democrats for that, and always has been.
Which is less than ideal, as the GOP remains populated by a mix of extremists & the grossly inattentive, Democrats yanked well to the right of centre, and the left utterly stymied.
But, the point remains that if someone is turning a blind eye to the harm being waged against their fellow Americans in favour of some nebulous lean (which the GOP’s consistently do not bother to address anyhow), then arguably they are far worse than a bigot, who at least one can consider to be haplessly hate-filled, rather than blithely lending support to the hate-filled.
people can be disinterested in dating each other for any reason they want, it’s not like you have to reach some level of hatefulness before they can say “i don’t care for your politics and i’m not interested.”
I agree, the “holier than thou” attitude is really gross. I was hoping this was going to be less of an echo chamber than Reddit but it’s starting to look like it’s worse. Let’s blow this popsicle stand bro I’m out of here
Don’t let the door hit you on the way out, it’s worth more than any conservative is.
Also lol that the “fReE SpEeCh” crowd cries a fucking river whenever people use that free speech to tell them they fucking suck.
Free speech is the worst possibly way to defend your opinion. Your basically saying “my opinion is valid because it’s not illegal to state my opinion”
byeeeeeeeeeeee
Lmao bye Felicia
bye-bye 👋
No, what we look like is people who’ve tried to give the benefit of the doubt for ages and gotten fucked for it. We’ve run out of benefit to give. Conservatives are actively hurting people in North America (probably elsewhere too) and we see ourselves and our children on the chopping block if we keep giving leeway. So we’ve stopped. You’ll keep seeing more of this until conservatives stop hurting people. This meme is just a funny reflection of that. Maybe it’s even gonna make some gears spin in some people’s heads.
Exactly! You cannot support that party and be surprised when you get called a bigot. You’re playing with pigs and you smell like shit, bud. Conservative values eventually turn into hateful ideology 100% of the time. Conservatism requires someone to blame for everything, and they never blame the people actually at fault, they blame minority groups that are easy to attack and exploit.
Please grow up.
If not being a racist is your benchmark, I don’t even want to know what else your family does.
Your friends and family might not be vocally bigoted, but actions speak louder than words and if they’re voting for a party that platforms on racism, sexism, and transphobia, then they are bigots. I hardly think it’s childish to avoid dating someone who would support a party that wants to strip your rights away.
Also, Lemmy has always been like this. You came to the wrong fuckin’ place, my dude.
Treating people differently because of their beliefs? I’m not even that conservative, but you sound like the real bigots.
If someone’s beliefs are a danger to my life or others’ then yep, I won’t be pursuing a relationship with them, romantic or otherwise.
Pffft, just means that your beliefs have consequences.
Something something tolerance paradox.
You realise that beliefs are a shifting scale, right? Not everybody with beliefs right of center are alt-right Nazis. I can’t stand those people either.
I used to be similar to you, until I met people with a whole host of opinions. I wish you well.
If 11 people agree to share a table with 1 nazi, you have a dozen Nazis.
How’s the Maths education where you are?
That’s a civics lesson. That you think it’s about the math is on you.
How’s your English education?
Better than yours apparently.
Oof. You’ve just said that you either have an inability to process a simple aphorism, or, worse, you think it’s fine to ally with Nazis, effectively proving the truth of the aphorism.
Love a good self own, get rekt nazi.
Never said you were, but that doesnt mean the cutoff point has to be all the way “out there” for conservative and problematic in the long run.
Besides, what do you even know about “me” given you say you used to “be like me”? You know, well perhaps not nothing but not much. And i too have met people with lots of different oppinions, yet i didnt leap towards the right, quite the opposite in fact. So… if you “used to be similar to me”, well then you’re close to falling into the deep end.
Here is some free advice: careful with what you assume you know about someone you never met before.
Yeah, that’s a fair point about assumption, was a bit silly of me. I’m responding to a few people of the same stance as you so it all kind of blurs into one. Kbin needs some default profile pic rather than a black square.
You realise that beliefs are a shifting scale, right?
We’re discussing ideologies of hate, exclusion, and domination. Such ideologies do not tolerate anything less than absolute compliance. So no, there’s no shifting scale here; your side won’t allow there to be one.
I wish you well.
No you don’t, and that’s the whole problem.
Excuse me for… *checks notes* …choosing who to pursue relationships with based on our common values or the lack of them.
Phrasing it that way is really solid and makes a lot of sense.
I also treat racists differently because of their beliefs, as well as sexists. I guess I’m the real bigot here.
Well, no, that’s perfectly understandable, since those people are impacting other people.
But not everyone who has conservative opinions is a racist and a sexist alt-right weirdo.
… do you think that conservative positions don’t impact other people?
My guy, I can rattle off at least half a dozen conservative bugaboos without which I would be quite literally dead. Don’t give me the “Well, it’s just their opinion!” bullshit.
There is no type of politics that doesn’t affect somebody.
Literally dead? That seems like you’re being dramatic, my guy.
I’m a mentally ill cripple with multiple chronic illnesses and severe social anxiety. I’ve been in spots in my life before where government assistance of multiple kinds has been the difference between life and death. Don’t give me the ‘You’re being dramatic’ bullshit unless you’ve vomited blood to the point of near exsanguination, had to ration life-saving medication, had breakdowns on the side of a freeway, shattered a thigh, went quite literally without food for days for lack of means, etc etc etc etc. In all of those cases, government programs have, at least once and often multiple times, been the difference between life and death for me.
Go fuck yourself.
Isn’t it amazing how detached people can be from the real-world effects of their thoughts and beliefs, so long as they don’t get to personally experience their impact?
I’ve personally experienced a universal healthcare system and its effects. It killed a family member and almost killed me.
Sorry for that guy’s experiences, but the sort of things he went through are systems and programmes you’d get in most governments throughout the whole political landscape.
Yeah, I literally could not afford to be alive due to the insanity of the US healthcare system, and multiple chronic diseases which hit me in my 30s and resulted in several ER visits and requirement of very expensive medication. Meanwhile republican politicians pretty much jerk off with glee about taking away my access to healthcare, which would literally kill me. Not sure how “I’m not that conservative! I’m one of the good ones! I just vote for people who want you to die!” folks expect me to feel.
Uh, no, pretty much every conservative politician wants to take away my access to healthcare, which would kill me.
Maybe a small portion, but that just means they’re 100% okay with those as long as the already super rich can be the tiniest bit richer
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My favorite thing is when a conservative finds themselves outside of one their safe-space, echo chambers and are shocked to discover that not only do regular people not agree with them, but they find their views so abhorrent that they actively view all conservatives as complete pieces of shit. And they are not wrong to do so.
i’m the real bigot because i dont want to shag someone who happily advocates for making it as hard as possible for me to get gender affirming healthcare and openly supports the neoliberal privatisation that’s devastated my country?
yes i very openly discriminate against conservatives, i have no plans for stopping or apologising
Not wanting to date someone because of their beliefs sounds like a perfectly valid reason. Especially if those beliefs can impact someone’s rights
You should 100% treat people different depending on their beliefs.
Would a black person be justified in not wanting to date a white supremacist? Or would you call the black person “the real bigot”?
If the beliefs in question are like, banning books, oppressing gender identities, removing reproductive rights, oppressing the needy, undermining elections with baseless conspiraciesand selling out to the highest bidders, then yeah, they and their beliefs can suck a fuck.
Right? Whenever someone is confused about my dislike of conservatives, they act like I disagree with their tax policies.
Obviously there are bigger things at issue here.
Conservatives: “We don’t believe that you should have full control over your body and will happily pass laws to prevent you from exercising that control, including laws that will send you to prison for a life-saving medical procedure.”
Women: “oh fuck. Wow. Uh. Okay, I will not be associating with you.”
You: “WOAHHHHH WOAHHHHHHHH WOW CALM DOWN THERE LITTLE MISS BIGOT HOW ABOUT SOME RESPECT FOR PEOPLE HUH?”
Choosing not to date someone isn’t really treating someone differently, 7 billion people on this planet you’re not gonna date most of them
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When it comes to dating? Yes. Absolutely. Why would you think that beliefs are a non factor for dating?
I kinda get a kick out of the ignorance some conservatives bring to the table. It’s almost cute, if not so stupid.
You should read up on the paradox of tolerance, and why Conservative attempts to play the victim card only expose their hypocrisy.
I’ll think of you when I punch a Nazi.
Yeah, like Nazis are scared of you.
https://i.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/original/001/410/015/531.jpg
You talk like someone who’s never scrolled through beholdthemasterrace. Are you actually a fuckin nazi bro? You sure talk like one.
Less than a day between “conservatives arent all bad guys, stop being so mean” to literally defending Nazi’s.
Yea bud, I’ll just go ahead and use you as an example of exactly why people feel the way they do in this thread.
I hope this is a bit.
That persecution fetish is out and about, huh?
I mean I form all judgements and treat people different based off their beliefs and actions as the former lead to the latter…
No cause we don’t advocate for them to be punished in any way. We just don’t want to fuck them.
I don’t mind their different beliefs, what matters is the fact that they try to force it on everyone else. You think being gay is bad? Then don’t be gay yourseld. You think getting an abortion is bad? Then don’t get an abortion. But the moment you try to force that on anyone else is the moment you’re inviting the world to shit on you. After all, no one is passing laws to discriminate against straight cis people, or forcing everyone to get an abortion.
When their beliefs include hating me, yeah, I’m going to treat them differently.
You’ll notice that on the list of things that are illegal to discriminate against, everything is either an immutable part of the person (national origin, race, gender) or is something that is unethical to ask a person to change about themselves (religion).
Political beliefs are nowhere on the list, because they’re not immutable and it’s not unethical to ask somebody to change them.
Discriminating against somebody for their political affiliation or political beliefs is legal and, in some cases, moral/ethical.
(As an aside, this is what makes all the people wanting to discriminate against LGBTQ people on religious grounds so egregious; they always had the right to discriminate against LGBTQ people on political grounds, but that wasn’t enough for them. They had to do it “in the name of God.”)
I don’t think that asking someone to change their religion is unethical, at least if asking them to stop being religious. In most cases, religion is not all that different from politics, with religion being central to various modern and historical states. At best, religion to someone is just a set of unsubstantiated beliefs. In less good cases, they’ll proselytize and be pushy about it and make bad personal decisions and use their religion to justify it. At worst, they use it as a political tool, using it as a justification to be discriminatory and exclusionary. Many wars and other atrocities in history have been for religion or catalyzed by it. Encouraging people to step away from delusion that has a historical tendency to cause mass violence shouldn’t be wrong to do. It’s protected legally in much of the west because it’s useful as a political tool. It’s easier to use religious rhetoric as a way to push other political goals than it is to fight against and let others embrace it the same.
Hello! You have fallen into the tolerance paradox; how can you be tolerant when you’re intolerant to intolerance? Easy I’m tolerant because I don’t tolerate intolerance. Beliefs aren’t equal, anyone who believes in inferiority or inequal treatment for reasons outside ones control should be called out. It is not a live and let live mindset, it’s a “live the way I tell you to or you’re a bigot” doesn’t sound very liberty loving to me. You can dislike it, you can rant, but once you limit peoples access to equal rights and treatment you’re infringing on their rights. Any freedom loving American can respect that.
A response in one link: https://beehaw.org/post/1060695
I agree. These bigots are no different than the bigots on the opposite end of the spectrum.
Women won’t date me because I’m ugly :(
You’re right, but I’m not sure you understand the mechanics behind it. You probably think since you don’t look like a gigachad, that you don’t get dates. Women do care about looks sometimes, but not nearly as much as guys tend to fixate on. The quality I hear women trying to find most in a man is decency, followed by personality, shared interests, connection and then yeah, I guess looks.
The trope you’re playing is funny, which is why we keep seeing it in media. A similar trope is seeing a “10/10” girl with a “3/10” guy and saying… “him!?!” Or something about him needing to be rich or something… because women only care about looks. In reality it seems that men think women only care about looks.
So, just keep in mind, if women won’t date you, it has to do with a lot more than your looks. You can take that as a burn, or you can look within yourself, see if you think you have what women want (what I have mentioned) and if so, you’re at the longest and final stage: putting yourself out there.
Edit: just to clarify, I define “decency” with a simple test which is “do I participate in any activities that go against what women are asking have been asking for for decades?” Things like right-wing politics (abortion bans, subservience to men), a livable wage, repect for consent, etc… if the answer is no, you aren’t “decent”. They aren’t asking for power over men, they’re asking not to get raped and to have the bodily autonomy just as men have. They are asking guys not to hypersexualize them from children and try to understand that they aren’t flirting with you at work, they just need to be nice to keep their job, and that they receive a lot of unwanted attention. They’re also asking for guys to take them seriously and a lot of them would want men to know that they don’t bring these topics up because it can create an unsafe situation for them, that it even might have in their past, possibly more than once. We think that we know who men are when we see how they behave around other men. Unfortunately an astoundingly large number of men are abusive to women when other men aren’t around. So yeah, you fail the decency test for politics if those politics harm women.
I was just trying to make a joke. I promise I’m not actually an incel.
I get you. Sorry for the serious reply, it wasn’t meant for you so much as it was meant for other people who unironically feel the same way as you joked.
Are you in therapy, the gym, the sun, etc?
Not judging. It’s fucking hard.
You don’t need to be buff or tan to get girls, but you do need to be healthy and confident.
Absolutely. I’ve been working really hard to improve my health both mentally and physically. I’m down 75 lbs. I’m trying to be the best version of myself.
75lbs?
Edit; OH I thought you said “down TO 75lbs” my bad
That’s not true; I’d date someone I could reasonably discuss fiscal policy about taxation with.
So maybe it’s not so much they won’t date you because you’re conservative and more that you’re openly embracing fascism…
Why is it the only time I ever hear the word “fiscal” is when a conservative is defending their entire half of the political sphere 😂 let’s all look past the human rights abuses and absurd gerrymandering/rigging of the entire democratic system and just think about the “fiscal responsibility” aspect (That, paradoxically, only ever actually seems to drive the national debt up faster when conservatives are in charge)
‘fiscal conservative’ = supports tax cuts for the rich because they believe in trickle-down theory, still, somehow
What could be more fiscally responsible than not paying off your debts?
PPP loan forgiveness for everyone (except the working class that’s not for you you greedy bastards)
Companies=bailed, students=get fucked (fiscal responsibility 😎)
Lol if people have money they can find dates easily, right wing or not.
