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    At this point, don’t let the news, horserace polls, TV and social media’s narratives of false equivalency (like how Trump wanting generals like Hitler’s is equally newsworthy as Harris not going on Joe Rogan’s show) paint your attitude.

    Give it your all, give it your best, vote, volunteer, encourage your friends, DO NOT GIVE UP until the day after Voting Day at least.

    As a Canadian I can’t vote, so I can feel especially helpless sometimes with what’s happening to the USA. What I can do is inject hope and positivity and courage to give Harris the best chance to cross the finish line. So take this energy and run with it until the end.

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      I remain optimistic about Harris’s chances, completely honestly. But even if my optimism is well-placed, it is vital that we remember this bullshit, not only in the lead-up to the election, but in the days after it. Fascist cunts will try to pretend none of this ever happened. We have to remember it, and cite it, and push it forward every time one of them tries to convince some burned-out swing voter that both sides are ‘just as bad’ or ‘the mainstream media is in the pockets of the DEMS!’

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        I hope you’re right. I have hope too, but it’s really only denial that there is a reality where Trump is a serious candidate. This is 2016 all over again, but with proof, plus he’s gone even darker

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        I’m not optimistic, but only because I see how well trumps vile behavior is playing in the south.

        He’s playing them like a virtuoso pianist, and their advantage in the EC might make it enough.

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      DO NOT GIVE UP until the day after Voting Day at least.

      This kind of brought us into this place in the first place. If people had cared to push the Democratic party to deliver, rather than being the other right wing economic choice for the tech billionaires, the Reps being for the oil billionaires (although the tech billionaires seem to have grown much more fascist these years) they could actually bring proper policy. Especially the unwillingness to make deeply needed economic, social and political reforms is a result of the party remaining in the firm grip of established elites like Biden, Clintons, Obama… Of course the fascist get stronger every election, if the two choices are fascists and economic right to far right.

      Voting is not enough. It can merely be the start of digging the US out of the whole that it has moved itself into deeper and deeper.

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        You’re right, voting is the first step of many to fix the country. People need a bit of a break from it all at some point. While tuning out for 4 years is what gets us in this situation, power through to election day then give a few weeks for voters to reward themselves if Harris succeeds.

        Remember that Harris and Walz aren’t even elites. For now they have to cater to voters of all stripes and billionaire, religious leader and warmongerer sympathies to an extent. Only once the nation has evaded the worst of outcomes, is there an opportunity for things to be fixed using normal processes. Downballot effects if it’s a massive blue wave would be huge for the country, and when Harris is preparing to take charge in January, people everywhere petition for change in the system from the people they freshly elected or re-elected.

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      To be fair the Harris campaign hasn’t been able to get traction.

      It’s infuriating Harris is taking about medical records while Trump is planning to undermine the results.

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          No she’s not.

          There’s every chance she’s going to lose the election to a criminal, fascist, rapist, lying, insurrectionist octogenarian who’s only policies are lynching political opponents and tanking the global economy with a tarrif war.

          I like Harris immensely and I think she would make a fine president, and maybe go a long way to healing the yawning chasm between progressives and conservatives.

          However given the remaining likelihood that she will lose against such an opponent you have to agree that her campaign hasn’t really gotten traction.

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            No, I actually don’t agree respectfully. I wholeheartedly disagree. I think she’s on fire.

            🔥🔥🔥Harris🔥🔥🔥

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                Sounds like you’ve been listening to the wrong people instead of watching her interviews and rallies for yourself.

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                  Come on. If you want to evaluate the effectiveness of Harris’ campaign, should you listen to her talk, or listen to commentary from a variety of sources?

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    Is anyone surprised? Just about every millionaire/billionaire business person is going to vote Trump because he’s told them repeatedly he’s going to cut their taxes. That’s bad news for the rest of us working people because our taxes will have to go up to make up for those cuts.

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      Well I’m certainly surprised that the WaPo itself produced a story about it. Someone over there has some cajones.

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      They’ll just cut services in order to make things even harder for people. Then they’ll say, “see, government doesn’t work!” Then they’ll privatize everything.

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        I’m waiting for this to happen. The old Republican supporters don’t realize or care that the GOP will cut their Medicare and Social Security as well. By the time they figure it out, it’ll be too late. Or hell, maybe they won’t care because they were able to take advantage even though they’ll be dead soon, just as long as anyone else won’t have anything to help.

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        This is why neo-liberals and neo-cons are two sides of the same coin. Both want public money funneled into private hands; they only differ on whose hands.

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      The long story here is that they made the bed they’re laying in. Treating Trump as a serious leader, either out of fear or greed, instead of protecting the integrity of journalism and, by extension, democracy has led us here.

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    All the gun nuts are going to be fucking pissed when they realize it’s Republicans that are going to confiscate their guns.

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      What makes you think they’ll ever realize it? The Dems will be blamed even if the party is banned, massacred, driven underground, and its last remaining members isolated in fucking Montana or some similar godforsaken place.

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      Later on Friday, The Washington Post, citing two sources briefed on the decision, reported that Bezos made the call not to publish an endorsement of Vice President Kamala Harris, which had already been drafted by editorial staffers.

      NPR reported that members of the Post newsroom were upset by the decision. Marty Baron, the paper’s former executive editor, called it “a moment of darkness that will leave democracy as a casualty.”

      “Donald Trump will celebrate this as an invitation to further intimidate The Post’s owner, Jeff Bezos (and other media owners),” Baron told NPR.

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      Not sure why this story shouldn’t get this much air time, unless you think billionaires should just be able to buy and silence newspapers when they don’t like what they say. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

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        I dont need to think anything, i just see thats what they do and thats how it always worked.

        Yall are the ones who are juicing fake outrage as if this is something new.

        Or did yall just now discover thay you live in oligarchy lol

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          Who is “yall” in this scenario, and why are you lumping me in with whoever that is because I think billionaires silencing journalism is indeed a story?

          Anyway sorry I’m not going to play more leftist than thou, hope you get whatever you’re needing out of that though I guess.

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          i just see thats what they do and thats how it always worked.

          Cool. No reason to change anything then! Everything’s great, just like it’s always been!

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              The I guess change is never going to happen. No third party candidate in the past 30 years has come even close to Ross Perot in the 1992 election. He got 18.9% of the vote. Do you know how many of the 270 electoral college delegates he needed to win that he got? Zero. Not a single delegate. You have to literally go back more than 100 years to find an example of a third party candidate even coming that close.

              So if that’s your big hope for change, you might as well just give up and get out of everyone else’s way.

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                I dont play politics.

                Neither party supports me so I am voting 3p.

                Obviously no 3p is winning but i cant in good conscience to vote for the two party system.

                Such is life in opposition. This is a generational fight anyway.

                If there is ecer hope hope for a break out, it will be done via 3p votes upsetting the status quo.

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                  When did this become just about you? You said change has to happen by voting third party.

                  Did you even work for a third party campaign this year? If so, which one and what did you do?

                  Or do you hope you can just talk about voting third party to random people on internet forums and use the rules laid out in The Secret and then it will come to pass?

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          some people value current empirical evidence over hearsay and ‘common sense’ when forming opinions I suppose

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      Nah. Folks are big mad because it’s exactly what we all expected when bezos bought the post. It didn’t immediately slide headlong into the void of bullshit pandering, so we developed a sense of false hope. Now it’s gone, we know it, we’re annoyed, and we’re mad about getting took.

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        Some people seem to think you should only get angry at things that are surprises. Like I get mad every time a Republican is a bigot even if I’m not surprised. Bigotry should make people mad whether or not it’s a surprise.

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        Well he used his tool when it was good for him.

        WaPo and rest of these outlets are just that, mouth piece for the owner class.

        Yet we their trash is being endlessly reposted around socials. Why?

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          You seem dense on purpose. But just in case I’d like to point out that you’re in the news section.

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            The troll is pushing the usual current 3rd party vote bullshit. Either they are incalculably dense or they will be gone after the US election. Make of that what you will.