• Todd Bonzalez@lemm.ee
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    5 months ago

    Shhh! People haven’t been terminally online about Israel/Palestine for the past several years juy to admit, in this moment, that their own country commits larger atrocities every day. What do you expect them to do, admit that their own country was founded on settler colonialism and that their continued participation amounts to what Zionism is: a belief that the settlements you live on are legitimate and should be protected?

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      5 months ago

      This is such a weird gotcha, because I don’t know a single person who denounces the Israel’s genocidal behavior who isn’t also denouncing America’s genocidal behavior. Like, yeah, killing innocent people is bad; let’s keep this bandwagon going and overthrow all genocidal governments, please!

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        5 months ago

        America’s killing of civlians during the Iraq war was absolutely a horrible atrocity, but it wasn’t genocide. Words have meaning.

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          5 months ago

          America’s been around a lot longer than the beginning of the Iraq war. We nearly eradicated the Native Americans to gain their land, we’ve placed illegitimate governments in Honduras and Guatemala, nearly eradicating the Mayan population for the sake of our own economic exploitation of the area, and so on. And honestly, most people backed the Iraq war specifically because they hated middle eastern people, so I don’t think calling it a genocide would be much of a stretch; if the area’s population were small enough to easily suppress the way the Mayans were, we’d have probably just focused on that strategy again in order to secure the cheap oil we were after.

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            5 months ago

            Comment chain started with this:

            Also USA killed this many civilians in Iraq per year, during the entire duration of the war.

            I was just staying on topic.

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              5 months ago

              My comment was in response to a comment about American colonialism and the genocide that came along with it, which is why I addressed it. Topics often change throughout the course of a conversation, and the same can happen in a comment thread.

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            5 months ago

            The comment chain started with:

            Also USA killed this many civilians in Iraq per year, during the entire duration of the war.

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              5 months ago

              So just false equivalent to compare number of deaths to make a genocide not look like a genocide?

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                5 months ago

                Sorry, are you saying the Iraq war was a genocide?

                The US absolutely commited genocide against Native Americans. How people and their cultures are deatroyed matters.