• n2burns@lemmy.ca
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    8 months ago

    Would it not be E2EE? Isn’t that one of the reasons for using the Signal protocol?

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      8 months ago

      Yes, the “delivering” part would be E2EE. Do we really know the afterwards if they can read their users’ messages? They probably can.

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        8 months ago

        Whatsapp CANNOT read messages when e2ee is enabled, this client-side snooping was discussed when the protocol was first implemented. Whatsapp collects a ton of metadata and social graph info, but not message content.

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          Well you type messages in in plain text and they decrypt it to show you the messages at the other end. So they can do the nefarious processing on the client side and send back results to the mother ship. E2EE is only good when you trust the two ends, but with WhatsApp and Messenger you shouldn’t trust the ends.

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            At the end of the day, you’ve got to trust someone. I’m 200% convinced meta mines the social graph, of course they do, and provide access to law enforcement with a pro forma request. But I’m also 199% sure they don’t actually read your messages once unencrypted, reencrypts them and sends them as hidden payloads or does something else with it. The damage, should it be discovered, would be untold.

            And while I don’t trust Meta on a lot of things, I know enough people there to realise that if they did that it would leak.

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              It wouldn’t matter to them really. Just look at how many people have gmail accounts.

              They don’t even have to send the whole messages back to base. They could be categorizing your messages in to themes and sending that back to base as small category flags. Use that to build a profile on you and use those for advertising to you.

              You mention something on the theme of ‘broken boiler’ in a message, that gets analyzed on the client in to a category of ‘interest in heating / boiler repair’, plus some adjacent categories based on your demographic. The categorization gets sent back and the next website you visit has an ad for British Gas boiler repair.

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        8 months ago

        Sure, but any messaging app (including Signal) could have these backdoors in place. Heck, there’s even vectors for unrelated apps on your phone to read this data once unencrypted.

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      8 months ago

      if i remember correctly, it would be E2EE (WhatsApp and Messenger are too) but Meta stores the encrypted message on their server