I guess the idea behind a “measles party” is to introduce the virus to the child’s immune system so that they can develop antibodies for it?
Damn, if only there was a safer way. Like if a doctor could introduce a very small amount of the virus to the child’s immune system. Do you think a dead virus would be enough for the immune system to learn what it is and how to fight it? Why aren’t scientists working on this?!
What’s hilarious to me is that this was totally a Thing when I was younger.
Not for measels, because we weren’t braindead dumbfucks, but for chickenpox.
You’d have whole groups of kids get together to have everyone get sick at once, instead of one kid at a time for months and months as it spreads through classes at school.
IDK if it made sense, but it was legit a thing that people were doing.
Of course, there’s a vaccine now, so if you’re still doing this you’re one of the aformentioned braindead dumbfucks.
Just a small akshually : Viruses cant be dead or alive because the have no metabolism anyway so most (modern) vaccines work by extracting their mrna or the lipids on their surface and injecting that. Injecting a small portion of whole viruses my still infect you. Fyi
Edit: ok I talked some garbage here: while viruses do not have a metabolism and thereby are, by the definition of some, not alive, there is apparently a way to make vaccines by destroying the genome of the virus via heat or chemicals and using the “shells” to make vaccines…
Source (disclosure: website owned by vaccine producer) here
mRNA vaccines are, of course, just the absolute tits - but they’re a tiny proportion of modern vaccines and the very first ones are one a few years old, created to treat COVID. But yeah, 100%, we don’t use the virus in the vaccine! Even the first ever vaccine was (as you will know) not created from the disease it was meant to treat, but from one similar enough that it gave protection to the other. And smallpox doesn’t exist any more so, well, that worked out pretty well didn’t it. You don’t give someone the virus to stop them getting that virus, but you might well give them a virus, in an attenuated form of the target
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When I was growing up in India I believed that I was surrounded by the dumbest and most ignorant people on earth, then I moved to the US for a while and was surprised most people remembered to breathe.
The unvax’d population in India is greater than the population of the United States. Unfortunately, only 90% of the US is vax’d against measles, which is a staggering number in and of itself, but I’m not sure of the demographic breakdown of it.
Yeah but the unvaxxed population in India are literally living in shacks with dirt floors and can barely read but the unvaxxed population in the US choose this because of facebook posts
We are careening toward the “end-game” for the rampant anti-intellectualism, anti-science, anti-critical thinking mind virus that plagued this country for at least the past 80 years.
This is what happens when you condition people for nearly a century, to get angry and defensive when someone who’s more versed on a subject tries to teach them something (or god forbid, correct them). It has become a kneejerk reaction for so many Americans (mostly conservatives). They are so insecure that they view any type of education as a direct insult to them or some stupid bullshit like that. Like deep down, they know how ignorant they are, but for some reason they’d prefer to stay that way, so anyone who challenges that (regardless of how pure the motive), is a “smug piece of shit talking down to them.”
And instead of even retaining what the person said, let alone learning it, they become even more radicalized against… well, reality.
I truly have no idea how something like this can ever be fixed at this level. We’re talking over 50 million people give or take tens of millions (unsure how many have regrets).
And this is nation-ending shit.
Edit: Slightly related, but something I just thought about… Imagine if we ever have a prion-based pandemic (if that’s possible?). That could straight up be the end of humankind. Prions are terrifying.
This is what happens when you construct a society around screwing everyone else over while preaching cooperation. People stop trusting everything
Yeah, the US government is so well known for “preaching cooperation”. What a fucking joke.
Politicians are always preaching “unity” while not acting united in the least.
At the National Prayer Breakfast in Washington, Mr. Trump took a moment to speak of bipartisan comity. Just hours earlier, he torched the federal bureaucracy, the global order, the media and Democrats.
Prion based pandemic is entirely possible.
I anticipate prions becoming a part of biological warfare in the coming years.
Maybe… Prions are a different beast altogether in terms of illness. Even the most terrifying forms take years to debilitate and kill you. I don’t think most countries want to wait that long to cripple an opponent, and definitely won’t want to unleash anything on a neighbor that will certainly come back at them. Right now the only thing that truly gets prions to be gone is incineration levels of heat.
So I don’t think biological warfare is going to be on the table. Maybe terrorist type attacks, where the asymmetrical nature of the opponents makes the user unconcerned about potential effects on themself.
I’d say the most likely path to prion outbreak would be lack of food regulation. Thousands of people could get sick/ die from contaminated ground meat, and without FDA functioning, it will be too late to prevent it.
Prions unlikely, they don’t possess the infectious nature of pathogens… additionally it’s a pretty rare disease, because animals showing signs of prions are usually eradicated and burned. Also humans can carry inheritable forms, which is even rarer than cow prions.
Even if someone manufactured it?
Well said, extremely on point. I’m just curious about your view on the timeframe - you’d say this started in the 40s or earlier? In my mind it was more around the 60s, together with the rise of neoliberalism
American religious anti-intellectualism as we know it really started with the rise of evangelism and fundamentalism in the 1890s-1900s. But it goes in phases: Pentecostalism emerges in the 1900s, fundamentalism and the rejection of modernity and science in the 1930s, anti-liberalism and various “youth” movements in the 1950s, television ministries and mega churches in the 1970s, religious political conservatism in the 1980s and 1990s, and the rise of the non-denominational “bible follower” churches in the 2000s.
But America also experienced several “awakenings” in the 1800s, which gave rise to all sorts of new flavors of spiritualism and Christianity ranging from Mormons to abolitionists. And there’s the rise of the (literal) Salvation Army in the US in the 1880s (but we really have the UK to thank for them).
It’s been incubating here for a long, long time.
It was a death sign once they allowed intelligent design as a legitimate argument in schools
… Intelligent Design was the "default* up until the Scopes Monkey trials though?
To be honest, I just threw a number out there without bothering to do the math… I guess I was thinking post-WW2, but yeah it could have been slightly later.
Don’t forget the “liberal” (closed minded in their own way) hippie types who think cancer can be cured with some magic herb or something. They are just as likely to be against vaccines and science in general. I know too many of these people.
They are so insecure that they view any type of education as a direct insult to them or some stupid bullshit like that. Like deep down, they know how ignorant they are
They know deep down inside that they are dumb and uneducated but think their “instincts” and gut feelings are equivalent or better than years of studying and analytical thought. They also are jealous of people smarter than them and instead of raising themselves up they prefer to pull them down.
What do you think BSE was? We were lucky to keep that within the cow population.
I didn’t know what it meant and had to look it up, and for anyone else wondering:
Bovine spongiform encephalopathy (BSE), commonly known as mad cow disease, is an incurable and invariably fatal neurodegenerative disease of cattle. Symptoms include abnormal behavior, trouble walking, and weight loss. Later in the course of the disease, the cow becomes unable to function normally.
Correct. And it can transfer to humans, where it is then known as Creutzfeldt-Jakob, with the same results. One of those medical topics that make me really shudder when thinking about it.
True, forgot about Cruetzfeldt-Jacob.
Also, think that one in Africa that happened because the natives in the area had a tradition of eating the brains of their dead loved ones, was also a prion. I want to say Kuru? Koru?
Was that really Africa? I am not sure, it could have been Indian or Pacific Ocean islands. But I could be mistaken here.
It’s a simple problem, the lack of trust; and a relatively simple fix.
But you will have to abandon liberalism, capitalism, and all such tools of the rich that only exist to oppress the poor. While those systems of oppression exist, anti intellectualism is a natural defense mechanism.
There’s a reason black folks in the US tend not to trust doctors, a good one, one of the best. It’s the same reason native Americans tend not to trust the law, immigrants tend not to call police even if they’re legal, and smart poor people don’t trust vaccines. It’s all the same reason, all the same cause, even with different incidents from that cause.
And you can’t fight it and keep the systems that spawned it, it is impossible.
Black people in generally are also ignored by doctors when they display life threatening symptoms such as heart attacks
Additionally people become bitter w.and conservative once they get a degree and never ended up in their field( they should know better), this is probably a small group but it does track. A lot of people love to choose majors like psych without researching you need a PsyD at the most to have a career
Hey, asshole, quit talking about me like I’m not here!
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For those who aren’t aware, the last time I checked (hoo boy, this is getting close to two decades ago now… fuck me) approximately 1 in 18 college students graduate with a degree in psychology. That’s freaking 6% of the college graduates! Kind of understandable when the bachelor version of psychology is essentially the degree of human interest. ‘Come find out how and why humans are funny/stupid/doing X/interesting’ is a powerful lure when you’re surveying a bunch of different classes and don’t have a degree/career in mind yet.
Meanwhile, it’s harder to get into psychology doctorate programs than medical school. When I was looking into it, I think it was somewhere in the ballpark of ~5-10% of applicants to doctoral programs would get accepted. It looks like recently it’s sitting at 12%. Meanwhile, medical schools are around 44.5% right now.
Now, yes, I could show the higher acceptance rates to masters programs for psychology listed in that APA link, but that gets messier and needs more nuance than the bare bones I wanted to throw up there.
Huh? Yeah, sorry, not gonna get on board with your bizarre misunderstanding of very important fields.
It’s not a misunderstanding. It’s well known that it’s easier to get relevant jobs in certain science fields than others.
Psychology is one of the hardest science fields to get a job in, and it’s also one of the most popular undergraduate majors. Put the 2 together and the end result is that the vast majority of psychology majors end up being unable to find a job in psychology.
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mortality rate of 3% for unvaccinated kids.
gonna be a lot of depression-era grieving going on.
as always the price is paid by those without a choice
truth
People focus on mortality too while failing to account for the sorts of lifelong disabilities viruses like these cause when you do survive them. Absolutely sickening.
the lifelong disabilities will be awful
I don’t want to know that stat butttt do you know that stat? I’m curious anyway
20 to 30% have some form of complications, it’s particularly severe in the vulnerable, very young, very old and compromised immune systems.
I don’t think that includes the general weakened immune system that a lot of people experience after the measles, children apparently lose 12 to 73% of their antibodies following a mild measles infection.
it’s highly transmissible, 9 out of 10 people who are exposed and unvaccinated will get it.
https://www.idsociety.org/public-health/measles/know-the-facts/
there are a ton of stats and a ton of complications that can occur with measles, so it’s difficult to find one comprehensive number for everything, but everyone who is unvaccinated will probably get it after less than 90% of the population is vaccinated, 20 to 30% will develop complications, a lot of those are going to be permanent. and even the temporary complications can last for years.
We don’t have more recent data because it was eradicated so rapidly in 3 years after the vaccine was introduced, but prospects sure don’t look good for dumb families and whichever population they’re poisoning.
On the topic on non-mortal cases, this CDC page says the hospitalization rate for 2025 has been 20% (30% for <5 year olds)
Mmr and chickenpox both can cause Temporary infertility in men, if you catch it later. It because it causes inflammation in your tubes of the testes
3 percent of kids dead is a small price to pay for Texans to not have to reevaluate how they make decisions.
They’ll never stop defending their right to let others die for their obstinacy.
Measles wipes your immune system as well. You’ll be having a miserable next decade or longer getting sick from everything again.
There was a Simpson episode, about Maggie getting chickenpox and Marge had to make sure Homer doesn’t come close to her, since he never had it
Can’t wait to see conservative morons saying “hurr durr 3% isn’t even that high of a percent”
No offense but fuck Texas
Texas is banning Gender Affirming Care FOR ADULTS, so yeah fuck Texas
This is child abuse.
Pro life starts at conception, pro life ends at birth
Carlin said it best:
“If your prelife, you’re fine. If you’re preschool, you’re fucked!”
And:
“Conservatives like live babies because they grow up to be dead soldiers.”
Republicans are right into that
Have fun fighting a culture war against pathogens, Texas
They’re just unaware that a war against a culture of microorganisms is an entirely different thing.
Republicans think can win a war against viruses and bacteria,
Is measles that ‘woke mind virus’ Musk was talking about?
It’s a disease that only conservatives get
Pathogens are woke
Texas… warns AGAINST something dumb?
Genuine surprise over here.
Way too many entries for the Darwin Awards this year
except this is how measles mutates to overcome current vaccines….
That was going to happen anyways.
that’s not how it works
It is after a successful Russian based anti-vax psyop campaign.
Not if it is eradicated, like it was until this lunacy cropped up.
theres a subreddit called hermain cain, i think that started to include this measles epidemic.
Woah, it really is the 1980s again. Time to get some cocaine I guess.
Well you know what they say…what doesn’t kill you makes you have fewer cells that produce antibodies.
What doesn’t kill you will get you trapped in a summer camp
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Measles? No no no, we’re talking America here, you mean
Freedom Sores
as vaccination rates plummet, freedom
soarssores
And when the Great Corruption has settled over the land, and permeated the very foundations of reality itself, then shall the Lord of All rise from the rot and ruin, spread his arms wide to reclaim all his children.
May Grandpa nurgle bless everyone of them
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If only there was some way to control measles. Oh well, wishful thinking i guess.
You cannot control freedom freckles.
Measles parties is the stupidest thing I heard. It is not chickenpox (although even chickenpox instead of vaccine causes risk of having shingles once you get older), it can cause serious health issues and even death.
The chickenpox vaccine is relatively recent, and chickenpox parties were a good way to inoculate children who get only mild symptoms and very little danger from the disease compared to adults.
Nowadays, vaccines are 100% the best defense.
Measles is so much worse and it has never been a good idea to purposely subject yourself to that.
Yep, the vaccine is recent enough that if you were born in the 90s or before, the vaccine wasn’t available when you were of the right age to get it. I didn’t even know we had a vaccine until probably 5 years ago.
Same, I only found out through the shingles sub I regularly visit, because I had shingles before 20
Was still pretty dumb, because now they have shingles for the rest of their lives. Just laying in wait for the right moment to strike lol
Well, the thing is that if you get chickenpox was older person it is much more serious, and there is shingles vaccine too.
I’m actually fine that my parents did it, it seems like there’s upper age for the vaccine so I wouldn’t be eligible, so it was either that or trying to be lucky and not catching it while being older.
There was not a shingles vaccine back when “chicken pox parties” were a thing
You’re right, what I mean it is now available and I can (and did) take it, so hopefully I won’t have that problem.
Interestingly my brother got shingles in his 30s, but with covid became antivaxer and doesn’t think he can get it again (he can).
Chpx vaccine only came out in 1995. Anyone before that had the virus already.
I know, that’s what my parents did and I needed shingles vaccine.
I’m happy the vaccine is available for my kids and they don’t have to worry about shingles when they are older.
The shingles vaccine for adults originally using a larger dose of the attenuated virus of the childhood vax. But now they have a new one that doesn’t use the virus at all, it’s called shingrx. It’s not advisable to get shingrx or the original shingles vax if your under 50
I got it earlier, because of immuno suppressing medication I’m taking, also my brother got shingles in his 30s and as far as I know he doesn’t have problems (at least diagnosed) with immune system or takes such medication. That kind of scared me to ask doctor about it.
I couldn’t find exactly why it is approved 50+ except that’s what FDA tested it for and that shingles is more common (but it doesn’t mean you can’t get it earlier) after that age.
From my own experience shingles vaccine side effects are worst from all the vaccine I had so far. My side effect was that after second dose I had problem with keeping balance for 3 days or so, which scared the shit of me.
yea i heard people got a really bad immune reaciton from the vaccine when they get it younger than what fda reccommended, basically it caused damaged near his testes.(funny thing is both the actual infection, chickenpox, measles mmr can do the same thing)
Yea I distinctly remember getting an Aveeno bath for it, and families were also having their other children around each other with chickenpox.
Have had shingles twice, in my mid 20s and mid 30s, wouldn’t recommend.
At least I got diagnosed soon enough to be medicated…
I had it 19/20 I was totally untreated by the time I saw a doctor, it already ruptured all the blistered and ooze all the liquid. I still have scars to this day, plus some nerve damage. It was a small rash, but it’s numb there. My phn was pretty mild
It’s so stupid I literally think it’s an attack on US citizens by hostile foreign governments
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The US does love eugenics, this is true
Sorry, was this meant to a different comment? I don’t like the move Hegseth did, but I’m confused how this relates to measles.
That anti-vax rhetoric and “measles party” rhetoric are so unbelievably bad, I think it’s psyops put forth by foreign governments meant to kill Americans deliberately. And with Hegseth removing large portions of cybersecurity, it’s only going to get worse.
Yes you are right. The covid pandemic was also masterfully used to spread other conspiracies (that’s how my family members got infected with the propaganda), and that it caused many Americans to die was a bonus to them.
For anyone not in the know, if you had chicken pox you’re at risk for shingles. I’ve heard it’s shear hell and got the shingles vax.
I think you need hit a few times? I’ve done 2 in the last 2 years, no side effects. Except for, ya know, not getting shingles.
I got it earlier than normal, usually it is given at 50+, I think it is because of side effects and in my case it were the worst I ever had.
I had 2 doses, first one was largely non issue, except I went to Costco next day to do shopping and day after I felt like I had a long hike.
The second dose really scared me, but next day I had a vertigo that lasted few days. I couldn’t walk in a straight line, if I lied in a bed it felt like I was spinning. I thought I will end up disabled because of it, fortunately after 3 days it started to pass.
Never had any vaccine reaction this scary.
I have some theory about it; perhaps the vaccine amplifies signals from nerves or something i.e. in first dose I got tired more than I should (from just waking in store for one hour), with second dose, next day I actually went to some bounce castle thing with my kids and jumped there a bit and I think that triggered it.
So if you are getting the shingles vaccine best to just stay home and rest for few days.
On the shingles subreddit, someone got it before 50, and it gave them some kind permanent issue. Don’t try to aggressively pursue shingles vaccine before 50, because there hasn’t been significant studies on it. The subreddit got pretty anal and restricted the sub, because people were being called out for not having shingles, when they keep posting " is this a shingles rash, when it clearly its something else"
Interesting, do you remember what the permanent issue was? Not being able to keep balance for 3 days seriously scared me, but everything returned to normal.
i dint know i had phn, until i visited that sub, it only lasted a couple years though. its nerve damage, mostly at the site where the scars is, its numb where it is, and hypersensitive touch surrounding skin. also a wierd spasm where the scars are if i poke aggressively. shingles cause all sorts of sensation abnormalities, once you have siginifcant scarring(which indicates alot of damage) the size was only larger than a quarter, compared others(where you see back to front rashes). i knew 2 people who had cranial shingles(which affects the eyes )
Had shingles at 20, definitely would’ve been worse if I had shingles later in life. Even with the chickenpox.vaccine it doesn’t prove full immunity, people have been getting a wild infection and then shingles anyways, , it’s just the initial chickenpox is less severe
I’m just gonna say, I got lucky with where my shingles hit and it suuucked. It was just my side. I have a friend who got out across their face. I got very lucky.
Neck for me. They got the paperwork ready to see an eye specialist if there’s any sign that it might reach my eyes. Luckily didn’t.
