As well as banning research. Absurd overreach of government and it will accomplish the opposite of what it wants.
Unless the goal is actually sabotage
Of the US’s own capabilities?
Yes. You know the history of the political situation we’re in and how we got here, right? The foreign entities that are salivating at the idea of a weakened America? The foreign entities buying our elected officials?
Americans try not to scapegoat foreigners for their own domestic problems challenge (impossible).
Just keep your head buried in the sand.
Here you are, blaming the decline of the US empire on evil scheming foreigners and y’all fucking wonder how oh how fascism is so popular lmao
I’m not the one making up jingoist conspiracy theories to avoid having to confront the real problems
Just keep believing increasingly unhinged BlueAnon conspiracy theories. The US is just a smol bean fragile liberal democracy being mind controlled by the bad, mean, no good authoritarian foreign masterminds. Previously.
Jesus Christ you people sure are stupid
The Nazis were also extremely incompetent when I came to stuff like this. Hitler had generals scrambling behind his back to produce their best weapon, but he kept finding out and making them stop along with tons of other micromanaging.
Trump is an idiot and so is musk. Most business people are short sighted and fascists even more. They also may be high on their own farts and think the system won’t collapse with them “in charge” like a toddler left in s room full of candles and napalm.
Not saying that foreign powers aren’t loving this, but they don’t have to have control over it.
That’s right, be sure to check for communists under your bed everyone!
TBH, I think that’s giving too much credit to those in charge. They don’t want to be China’s or Russia’s puppet. They imagine themselves the puppeteers (whether that’s true or not).
This makes more sense than these parasites submitting to a foreign adversary lol
That’s not what’s happening. The theory that the builders of Empire were the ones that understood it, and the inheritors of Empire are true believers in the false justification the builders gave and thus defeat itself when given the reigns is coming more and more true.
USSR leadership did… And some of them become the new global oligarch elite. Others got dead.
Current clonw posse could be trying to do something similar, thinking they can do better for themselves
It’s definitely not because it’s a competitor to Grok (x.ai) who just spend $6 billon on GPUs or anything
In the United States you get sent to prison if you use the wrong slop machine
US doing exactly what they accuse Communist China of doing exhibit 420
@HiddenLayer555 yeah… it’s exactly the same, isn’t it? We can’t even talk about it…
Just you wait…
A dying empire doing everything it can to delay the inevitable. We really are watching the beginning of the end of the US hegemony aren’t we?
Prof Richard Wolff has a great analysis of things: https://youtu.be/9u4A0D_Wc9c
As usual. Love that guy.
The theory that the builders of Empire were the ones that understood it, and the inheritors of Empire are true believers in the false justification the builders gave and thus defeat itself when given the reigns is coming more and more true.
“American Liberty”, ladies and gentleman.
another great day of not being an american
The whole globe is sliding right. It’s not a great day for anyone.
true but they will not stop me. even if i was american, i’d download deepseek, idc about anything at this point
Sliding right and left. It’s becoming more polarized as Empire decays.
Yeah, thanks to steve bannon, elon musk and facebook
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This skill is increasingly useful.
Genuinely great comm and resource.
They’ll sing praises of the “free market” all day, until it stops going their way.
We need some Firefly emotes on Hexbear. Especially the combination of the USA-Chinese flag.
So we’ve gone from banning books to banning apps.
could face up to 20 years in jail, a million dollar fine, or both.
So I’d get less for stabbing someone.
And you wouldn’t believe how less it gave you for stealing millions from a pension fund.
oh, these third world dictatorships with no consideration for individual freedoms and human rights…
no, wait.
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Didn’t I just read an article about Apple wanting to use it. It’s open source it can be forked and be American tomorrow. No matter how much Openai crys. This just shows the true lack of any knowledge on the subject. I’m not a fan of the Chinese government as much of the next guy. But the information is out there.
Perplexity already runs a US copy of it.
Exactly
Apple wants to use it in China
I can’t confirm if this is correct or not but another example is you can use deepseek in aws bedrock right now. So it’s makes the same point.
Honest Questions Can a model be open source? Dont we need the data it was trained on to truly be able to reproduce, understand and modify it?
No a model is a model now if you are talking a chat bot or ai app yeah you need the data and that data changes all the time but if I have the model I can supply my own and get simalr results to their model if the data I need is the same. The code is right here https://github.com/deepseek-ai/DeepSeek-V3?tab=readme-ov-file I can get the models from https://huggingface.co/deepseek-ai/DeepSeek-V3-Base and train them further and redistub that model legally. Per
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Okay let’s talk terminology
I meant the useable application as a for example chat bot.
The model itself is useful as far as it enables me to understand the underlying logic of the whole thing right? But without the data and I guess a training period with it I can’t use it if I understood it correctly.
If I am right with the above this wouldnt make it useful as in I can reproduce it as a functioning application and I wouldn’t call that opensourve in my understanding of the word.
I don’t know much as i ain’t knowledgeable in ML and LLM, but i downloaded deepseek R1 7B model (which probably is the weights and architecture) from huggingface and it worked with no “data”. So i can say it’s reproducible. Now does that make it open source?
sure a model could theoretically be open source, but in this case that source would be 1) the software to train the model and 2) the training data, and good fucking luck getting either of those honestly.
the AI sphere has co-opted the term “open source” because it sounds nice, what they actually mean is just “a free copy”, a free copy of deepseek is available for download.
They seem to be able to fiddle a lot with the models, but in the end calling it open source is just blatantly not fucking true.
Good thing I’ve just accepted a faculty position outside the US.
I’ll get to move to a country that doesn’t persecute academics and I think I’m just beating the crowds on the way out.
Nice to see the brain drain of the US in action. I’m glad I don’t have to see it’s downfall firsthand.
Show off
Where are you going? I’m currently on last yr of PhD and thinking of leaving, but I don’t know if I should abandon the PhD to leave or not. I’d like to finish it, at least do it remotely, but chances of finding work immediately after PhD are slim.
The position is in Germany. It might be out of the frying pan and into the fire given Germany’s right wing rise, but that’s happening across the western nations and we’re all in trouble.
I don’t have a ton of advice for you. I defended over 10 years ago, so I’m moving straight into a tenured/permanent position as senior faculty. For an ABD, I’m not sure what the landscape looks like these days.
If you want to make the move, start talking to people. Reach out to people publishing in your field and talk shop. Collaborate with them, talk about the future, and be willing to take a postdoc (or german system W1) position. It’s more ramen and a small bedroom, but it’s one where there’s healthcare and civil rights.
Academia (and most professions) are all about networks. Talk with people, collaborate, and grow that network. Something will come along.
Thank you. I have a family to worry about so can’t survive on ramen alone… But I’ll look for other countries postdoc and such. I’m a bit scared of moving somewhere I don’t know the local language now because of how things are going in the US, if something like this happens and I can’t understand their language I’d not even know the dangers.
My university in Germany operates entirely in English. The academic world is very international so it often falls back to English to support the faculty and students. Issues in the community will also be run through the university news routes, so while I’ve been learning German, I’ll also have a big resource with my work community.
There’s a few places to check for positions. I interviewed in Ireland and Scotland as well (didn’t get the jobs). There’s also Australia and new Zealand hiding out there. Or Canada. Hell, Mexico has a great university system you could look into.
Your PhD does open new doors. It’s by no means a guarantee of a faculty spot, but it’s valued so you can leverage it.
