• j4k3@lemmy.world
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      And I will show you how the second and third world wars started by a dictator doing a land grab and fucktard leaders doing nothing when they had a chance. If Ukraine does not win, WW3 is the inevitable outcome in the next 10 years. These are the people that cause the deaths of millions.

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        If only you thought the same about Turkey&Azerbaijan.

        No, whoever wins, it’ll just show that brute force matters and everything else doesn’t, be it for the Russian leadership or for that of any Western country.

        WWIII is already inevitable, in one way or another. And fuck everyone talking about realpolitik, because realpolitik is what got us here.

        Other than that, Ukraine is going to win or make the conflict frozen against Russia, with or without more support. Russia is not going to be a participant in that WWIII, not a major one anyway.

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        World War 3 is always the inevitable outcome in the next 10 years.

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      They can read the polls and can see that a plurality of voters seem to be against more aid.

      Edit: -72 is breddy good, I’m quite impressed at how fact resistant you guys are. It really IS the reddit experience.

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        a plurality

        Yeah, about ten guys who were bought and sold by Russia and a couple thousand other folks that fell for their con. By no means a majority and also by no means a reasonable stance.

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            These polls are as idiotic as the Brexit Referendum was.

            People have no fucking clue what’s going on and they answer by their “gut feeling”. So it’s all down to the way the question is formed.

            And it’s not a “yes” or “no” type of situation either.

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              So your argument is what exactly? That the poll is flawed… so there isn’t a majority or plurality? You realize that both for and against could have been answering by their “gut feeling”… a 50/50 split kind of proves the point that it’s not just a few thousand like was claimed.

              Of course if you have a better source showing that Americans are happy with spending more money in Ukraine that’s of higher quality I’m all ears.

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                A 50/50 split also kind of proves that the answers are as thought out as a coin toss…

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                  So all 50/50 splits are coin toss decisions and not devisive topics? That’s a hot take. Especially with n=1000+ polls.

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                    Polls with a 50/50 split, are a poll structural fail. It means the questions are too ambiguous, and the poll didn’t control for it. A split of 40/40 with 20% “undecided”? That would be a credible divisive poll. A 50/50? No way.

                    From the source you cited: https://www.documentcloud.org/documents/23897329-cnn-ukraine-poll

                    Look at the “trends” section on page 3, “not sure” between 7% and 14%, those are credible numbers. Now look at pages 10&11, 0% to 1% “no opinion”? That’s BS.

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                My argument is that linking a shitty poll that paint the issue in black or white does nothing to help to paint the picture of public opinion on the russia’s attack on Ukraine and how people feel about it.

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                  Can you show how the poll is misrepresenting it as a black/white issue?

                  Do you have ANY better statistical resource?

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                    Can you show how the poll is misrepresenting it as a black/white issue? I can, but you don’t seem to be genuinely interested, so I’m not going to waste my time.

                    Do you have ANY better statistical resource? No, but sometimes no resource is of more quality than a misleading poll.

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          “someone said something I don’t understand, they must be pro-Russian”

          Flawless logic, kiddo.

          is CNN also a Russian shill?

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              Stating an obvious reason that democratically elected officials might have an opinion is pro-Russian.

              I guess that elections are also undemocratic?

              You’re a loon and I thank you for helping me grow my Blocklist.

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                This Putin bootlicker is too stupid to realize he’s helping America’s long-term enemy. He thinks he’s an American patriot, but he’s actually just a Russian simp.

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      More likely to be bought by the International Democrat Union than by Russians.

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          They’re more in support of right wing policy than they are of Ukraine, though.

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            That’s true, but they have just invited (former Ukrainian pro-EU president) Poroshenko to their honorary advisory board. I do not think this is pro-Russia stand.

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              The IDU doesn’t care about Ukraine except insofar as it is a pawn to push right-wing ideology abroad.

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                I agree that their focus is center-right ideology, not war in Ukraine. But they do not support Russia, and those rare statements that they do (and the actions like inviting Poroshenko) shows that in this question they are on Ukraine side. There is more “politicking” than just Russo-Ukranian war. Walmart also is not focused on Russo-Ukranian war, does it make it pro-Russia and converting MAGA politicians to pro-Russia stand?