The manager used his own resume. They were looking for candidates with Angular experience. Ergo this is a manager with tech skills.
I shudder to think what would happen with a non-tech manager - likely they’d give up and close the position after not finding anyone, without ever questioning the process.
Why is this a news article? It’s a reddit comment to a reddit post. And while I like to take things at face value, believing a reddit post is another level of gullible.
This author and site should be ashamed for posting this is as real. Pretty much everything on the front page now is generated content by bot accounts with a single post that got tens of thousands of upvotes.
lemmy became reddit in record time because the admins can’t be fucked to police their fuckdamn mods
But they’re just poor overworked volunteers, waaaaaaah :’(
That entire site is about the same quality if not worse.
I 100% believe you
The fall of Rome came from the lack of original thought and everything being derivatives of derivatives.
We’re here now.
Uhh… what? Not saying that those things aren’t real today, but are you sure they were the cause of the fall of Rome? lmao
That’s a retarded description of the fall of Rome.
Hey, we don’t say the R word here. Say “Little Italy” instead or something.
I think I’m fine with the phrasing as is
Thank you for reinforcing my point.
I feel that’s a line taken from Foundation by Asimov, describing the fall of the galactic empire
Entire HR Team Fired After Manager Uses His Own Resume To Prove Their System Is Auto-Rejecting All Candidates Says Reddit User.
Fixed the title of this useless article.
“wow”
The amount of time recruiters contact me after i decline with “I had no idea you had [insert qualification started clearly on my resume] experience” is 100% of the time.
If all human resources was being part scam and part class warfare on purpose, it’s not clear what they’d be doing differently
One of my favorites was the one that contacted me saying that my experience at Microsoft made me an ideal candidate. They never responded after I pressed them for specifics.
I have never worked for Microsoft.
I used to have the title “system administrator” in my resume. I guess recruiters were just going off of single keyword searches because I’d get all kinds of emails about unrelated administrative positions like “social security administrator.”
My favorite example was when I got invited to apply for the position of “ocean administrator.” I looked it up at the time and it seemed to be about directing shipping traffic, but it’s more fun to imagine that I would have been in some way directing the ocean itself.
The job in reality.
It wouldn’t be King Triton?
Poseidon’s intern
I was rejected for a Master. I asked to know why and they told me it was because I needed a bachelor degree to apply.
I had two. At the very top of my résumé. At least they accepted me after I pointed that out.
I have a simple rule that’s worked out really well for me to avoid getting recruiters like that. If their name is indian, I don’t answer. To be clear, this isn’t me “doing a racism”. If they are from a company I’ve worked with and know to be good I’ll still pick up. But generally if they have an Indian name, they are part of a resume farm and not paying any attention. I’ve also started seeing ones from Africa this year that caught me off guard. Tried to talk to a couple before I realized what was going on and stopped answering any of them. What’s really great is when they use the exact same introduction message.
You can claim it’s not racism a million times. But, that doesn’t change the truth of it.
I’m a natural US citizen of Indian heritage. I do the same thing as you: filter all recruiters with Indian names. It’s the only practical course of action.
The difference between us is I admit that it’s racism. I’m far less likely to fall down the slippery slope.
Racism implies an opinion of superiority based on race. We both filter based on race because of a systemic issue that overwhelming relies on Indian nationals, not a racial issue. I have no problem with indian recruiters from know good companies. If it were racism that wouldn’t be the case. Using the “slippery slope” as some sort of moral justification to it is just a logical fallacy. Do whatever makes you feel better about it though I guess.
Racism implies an opinion of superiority based on race.
No. You moved the goal post such that your actions aren’t included. The rest of your post is based on this false premise, minimization, and projection.
racism
noun
Discrimination or prejudice based on race.
I didn’t move any goal posts.
https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/racism
a belief that race is a fundamental determinant of human traits and capacities and that racial differences produce an inherent superiority of a particular race
You are talking about prejudice. It’s not the same as racism even though SOME prejudice is based in racism. I have a prejudice based on anecdotal experiences that causes me to avoid Indian names for recruiting unless they are attached to a company I am familiar with and consider a good company.
That’s got nothing to do with any beliefs about their race and everything to do with believing that companies seeking to abuse me have a pattern of hiring Indians.
All that said, you mentioned you are Indian. If you feel this is racist still, then I’m sorry because I really don’t intend that. I truly have no ill will to you, or any others of your race, but whether that’s perceived or not may be a failing on my part somehow whether through poor wording or not being able to see your point of view enough to satisfy you. So i am sorry if this sounded racist. I won’t qualify or equivocate anything further since I’ve endeavored to explain myself to the best of my ability.
Even more white moderate bullshit.
This is why nothing ever changes.
I’m not moderate at all. I’m far left in most opinions. But if you want to be dismissive then w/e.
I think this wouldn’t be a racism though. This would be prejudicialism.
People with typically non-english sounding names have in the past called with job offers that have nothing to do with your skill set because they’re not paying attention to your actual resume. Because of those past actions you are preventing any future actions by default.
It has nothing to do with their race, and everything to do with pattern recognition, which is prejudice.
The worst possible outcome out of this are that the person doing it misses out on a great job opportunity.
More white moderates. Sweet.
No, racism is judging someone purely from an aspect of their race. Like say, ignoring calls from people with Indian sounding names.
I work as a contractor in Pharma/Consumer goods AKA the FDA/DEA controlled territory. If i ignored people who differ from my caucasian/Irish ass i would bea very broke contractor.
These are also bids i put out, I’m not being recruited I’m being interviewed for the bid i put in.
Yeah I imagine so. That’s a very different scenario and it wouldn’t make sense to ignore a specific group. Getting cold calls from recruiters on LinkedIn is a very different scenario from that and I wouldn’t expect my situation to apply there at all.
What’s really funny is that you don’t know whether a name is foreign. If you’re actually interested in determining that, we could write you a quiz, and you can take it, and see how you score.
It’s a big country, well I assume it is, I didn’t actually ask where you live, but you probably live in a large enough country where you just have no idea what normal names are, in the communities where you don’t reside.
I had a pre interview from someone from HR once and it was excruciating. They didn’t know wtf I was talking about and I had to repeat myself many times over for very well known tools in my field. Now that I am the one looking over resumes I would never want HR to screen anyone, because they can’t possibly know what makes a good candidate for every single position or even how to read qualifications correctly.
A good HR prescreen asks more about the fitment/personality of the person. I still think that should be up to the hiring manager because too many HR depts suffer from dunning-kruger and have too much power for a generally way too petty group of people.
HR is made up of lizard people. They have no business judging people’s personalities.
Agreed, most are cancer.
And yet most of us have to work to eat…
It’s possible to both not be a cancer and earn a decent wage. Even in HR.
Possible… But doesn’t happen often.
Working is cancer or maybe that just my experience being a low end wage slave
Eh, it doesn’t get much better when you get higher up. More pay but compounded stress.
A good HR pre-screen include somebody who’s currently working in the department that they are hiring for, who has field knowledge of the position to see how the two of you mesh.
Fitment is more about how personalities match than it is with making the HR person feel good about you, and if the HR person cannot even understand the job that you do then how can they judge how well you would fit with the other people who do?
In my previous role I was leading a department, constantly needing to hire people. After some terrible initial experience, I didn’t let HR touch any of the CVs in the system, nor give a call to anybody, I started doing evertyhing myself. I was much faster in hiring than my peers, and good candidates also responded much better to a manager calling them. It takes effort, but shortens hiring time and improves the process a lot. There are of course limits, I was doing this for 1-3 open positions at a time, no manager could do it for 10, and I also had experience in recruitment myself.
Unless they have a dedicated HR person for a department/area that really learns the business and specializes, they are not going to be able to help hiring much.
Short version: Reddit commenter says their resume system was automatically rejecting all candidates because it was looking for familiarity with the language “AngularJS” instead of “Angular”.
I think the point of the article is not that there was one word mistakenly written, but that an entire department lied for months and never bothered to test their system, and that they felt it was normal to do so. In other words, the problem here was the human factor. Typos are going to happen no matter what you do, and if you’re not planning around them then you suck at your job.
Sure, thanks for highlighting that. I wasn’t implying anything about the lesson we should take away, just that the article didn’t seem particularly information dense, it was mostly recapping a reddit comment.
That ain’t even a typo, just a variation…
But your point is very valid, HR clowns confirming bias here
Not about auto rejections, but inept HR…
My favorite is in the earlier days of iOS and Android, like 5 years in kinda thing, there were job postings that required 8 years, specifically in Android or iOS, not just 8 years of development experience.
Requiring 8 years of any particular tech is ridiculous in of itself. If you haven’t learned what there is to learn in 3 years, you won’t learn any more in the subsequent 5.
Yeah but its a shitty tactic to pay less. “We wanted X years, but you have X-Y years of experience, so we can’t give you the high end of the pay scale”
Never thought about that angle. I don’t think I’ve dealt with this kind of manipulative behaviour myself, but I don’t doubt it.
It’s such a dangerous game to play, as the “requirements” don’t match reality. At least someone along that chain of communication doesn’t know something they should know about their job. The alternative of just being a negotiation tactic would make me consider ending the interview immediately.