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    Most communists: I believe society should work towards the betterment of all and that workers deserve full rights and benefit of their labor.

    Chuds: “but what about gay people?”

    Most communists: “… They are people and this will be give the same rights and benefits as all other people…?”

    Chuds: " COMMUNISM IS DESTROYING TRADITIONAL FAMILIES"

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        But you Communists would introduce community of women, screams the bourgeoisie in chorus.

        The bourgeois sees his wife as a mere instrument of production. He hears that the instruments of production are to be exploited in common, and, naturally, can come to no other conclusion than that the lot of being common to all will likewise fall to the women.

        He has not even a suspicion that the real point aimed at is to do away with the status of women as mere instruments of production.

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      Indeed, they’re already disappearing under capitalism as social norms change. Although, it’s worth noting that social reproduction is tied to material conditions and economic organization. For example, women equally participating in the workforce necessarily upends traditional family structure.

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        yup and women+children were integrated to the workforce as the development of industry started taking off to increase the supply of labor-power and reduce wages. the structure of the family in a given society is the reflection of the development of the society!

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        Yeah if every adult has to work then you need at least three adults per family to keep up with child-rearing and housework without straight-up burning people out.

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        The “traditional” or nuclear family these conservatives want to protect is itself a recent invention. Before industrialization and capitalism families and communities looked quite different.

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          Right, the culture is a product of the material conditions at a particular point in history. It’s not an abstract thing that exists outside material reality.

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          yup and depends in class too, i can’t imagine a traditional family in the proletariat during the industrial revolution in England for example.

          The 20th century traditional middle class american family was only possible due to the concessions, segregation and imperialism.

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    And, it’s like, the right is as irritating as shit at every possible opportunity about having their way be the only way. Why would I want to abide by their cultural institutions and norms when they transparently have nothing for me and plan on being a massive pain in the ass the whole time even if I acquiesce?

    I don’t want them railroading me through life when there’s already enough shit depriving me of any significant choice in what I do and how I do it. They brought the steamroller on themselves.

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      It’s pretty funny how they completely lack self awareness in that regard. They’re really afraid that the communists will impose their values on the right, but have absolutely no qualms about imposing their own values on everyone else. I find this tends to be the key difference between communists and the fash. We’re open and honest about what we actually want and why.

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      Holy shit—this is the gospel in a way I’ve never considered it. Specifically:

      Why would I want to abide by their cultural institutions and norms when they transparently have nothing for me and plan on being a massive pain in the ass the whole time even if I acquiesce?

      Like, in the marketplace of ideas, they have absolutely no products to sell.

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    I think they choose those talking points strategically because they don’t want to talk about money too much because they’d get exposed quickly as being pro inequality and immoral (the classic you only deserve to live well if you are ‘worthy’ ie a small business owner) so they try to cover it up by focusing on anti climate change reforms, pronouns, trans sports people, and things like that to scare their listeners/viewers about the left, classic calculated fearmongering where they try to pick tabloid level stuff they think will land with their base. It’s another question why it even lands when it’s mostly about personal liberation, from abortion to trans rights.

    Btw another funny thing they do sometimes is also paint liberals and centrists as ‘far left radicals’, put them in the same bin, like I heard ‘Von der Leyen is a communist’ not long ago lol.

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      Btw another funny thing they do sometimes is also paint liberals and centrists as ‘far left radicals’, put them in the same bin, like I heard ‘Von der Leyen is a communist’ not long ago lol

      oh that’s usual, conservatives call anyone they dont like a communist. happens even in mexico.

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        Yep, I usually listen to those comments from the classic “white christian Panista” family.

        Attaching the following meme because it is funny:

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    I don’t know why it’s so satisfying to watch braindead conservatives whine 24/7 about muh traditional values from Middle Ages after communism destroyed it all and made LGBT dictatorship as Marx intended.

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    Chuds are like:

    • “traditional family: leave it to beaver depiction that never existed in RL”
    • “sanctity of marriage: everyone should have to marry the way I do or else my marriage feels icky”
    • “christian values: the bible says leave it to beaver is the right family model and everyone should have to marry the way I do and also I should get to control women, anyone who says otherwise is blasphemous and weak and did I mention I want to control women? why don’t I get to do that. what gives.”