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    There are people who don’t see “beat the other guy no matter what” as the aim of our great political project.

    If the neofascist movement captures America the ‘great political project’ will be over. End of story.

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      It won’t. It will be a scenario like WW2 all over again.

      Yes, years of hell and nightmares, but compare the Germany of today to the pre-WW2 Germany, it’s like a night and day difference. And Germany was nearly destroyed out of existence before it was rebuilt into what it is now.

      Nothing is ever over. What you’re talking about is a challenging time as opposed to “the end” or “game over.”

      Obviously the civil process isn’t working today. We will most likely have to fight even if the Dems win a few more election cycles.

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        Who’s going to invade, occupy, and rebuild the US like the Allies did in Germany? The US is the most powerful country in the world, is the third largest by both land area and population, nobody has the resources for either the invasion or the rebuilding. American fascism would be a long lasting fascism with civil war as the only hope for restoring democracy, as much as we have it now.

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          Mexico, Canada, Brazil, Cuba ;)

          and last, but not least, we ourselves will. Those that survive that is.

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        Yes, years of hell and nightmares, but compare the Germany of today to the pre-WW2 Germany, it’s like a night and day difference. And Germany was nearly destroyed out of existence before it was rebuilt into what it is now.

        Wait wait wait. So your high falutin protest vote plan is a success if Trump gets in, we devolve into WWII Germany, get destroyed as a nation, and rebuilt from the ground up?

        Holy baby with the bathwater, Batman.

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          It’s a success no matter what happens, because I signal my policy preference and any party is welcome to try to capture my vote by working for my interests.

          The Dems can always move left. Or if not, I will signal my preferences in new ways should the right get a governing majority.

          Fuck the so called “moderates.”

          I fear capitalism more than fascism anyway. At least there is no pretense under fascism that we still have a social contract. I can kill fascists and not go to jail or get disapproved by everyone and their dog. And it also gives me permission to stop taking this deadending clusterfuck of a world seriously, and boy am I TIRED of the status quo, I am ready to take things less seriously.

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            boy am I TIRED of the status quo, I am ready to take things less seriously.

            Me too. Not enough to behave in a way that ushers in fascism. I care about more people than just myself. On the way to your outcome, a lot of who the right views as undesirables lose their rights, their lives, and more.

            Good day.

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              I don’t see any nicer way to dignify my own interests.

              I will not be initiating violence. I will be voting my conscience non-violently. If that is not morally enough, and if people like you false equivalence me with the fascists, then I will understand that all along you were secretly at war with my interests, but your secret will be out the second you refuse to distinguish me from a fascist.

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                and if people like you false equivalence me with the fascists, then I will understand that all along you were secretly at war with my interests

                Please.

                I fear capitalism more than fascism anyway. At least there is no pretense under fascism that we still have a social contract. I can kill fascists and not go to jail or get disapproved by everyone and their dog. And it also gives me permission to stop taking this deadending clusterfuck of a world seriously, and boy am I TIRED of the status quo, I am ready to take things less seriously.

                By your own words you are good either way. If you vote in a way that ushers in facism there is no false equivalence, because you have knowingly ushered in facism.

                Again I say, for the last time, Good Day.

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                  You still don’t take any personal responsibility for ushering in fascism? You will lump it all on me?

                  Thank you for letting me know that you are my foe.

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                    You still don’t take any personal responsibility for ushering in fascism? You will lump it all on me?

                    I’m not voting for the fascist candidate, and I’m not voting in a way that will help the fascist candidate win. So - yeah, I’m going to lump it on folks who do.

                    Thank you for letting me know that you are my foe.

                    Anyone who helps the fascist candidate get in power is welcome to call me that.

                    Last one, you won’t bait me again today. I said Good Day.