• Maalus@lemmy.world
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    5 months ago

    So if you are against genocide, you don’t get a candidate that can represent you. And americans would rather drag their dick through miles of broken glass than to vote 3rd party.

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      Voting 3rd party in a primary is throwing your vote away, plain and simple. If we want better candidates, handily defeat the GOP so that it has no choice other than to ditch the completely fascist support, or collapse. That’s the only chance we have of getting more progressive candidates to vote for. Start in local elections, move to state, then get some of these people into higher office.

      Hoping that suddenly the incumbent Democrat candidate will become a super progressive person at the 11th hour is just a fantasy.

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        My point exactly with “crawling through miles of glass before voting third party”. A nation of defeatists.

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          Stop the disinformation. Voting 3rd party in this general election is just going to help Trump and the fascists. You’re either a naive fool, or a disinformation agent.

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            Again, my point exactly. You are almost combative about voting for anyone who doesn’t support the genocide. Good job.

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      I don’t need to torture my penis to know it would have a bad outcome to do so, kind of like giving my vote to trump with an extra step while pretending to be a martyr

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          Except for the fact that we know how the system works and third party candidates have no chance

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            So should people who are not going to vote for a Trump or Biden actively cast their vote for Trump then? It’s the same thing, after all, right?

            Is not casting a vote for Trump actually a vote for Biden?

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              Did you fail math?

              Obviously if you refuse to support the non-fascist then you’re failing to prevent fascism and it’s functionally the same as supporting it. You people love to pretend to not understand this but that doesn’t erase it

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                You’re kind of avoiding the question.

                If I “fail to support Trump” then I am defacto supporting Biden, right?

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                  They are avoiding the question.

                  I think since the scales are tipped in republicans’ favour (e.g. losing popular vote but winning presidency always goes one way - Trump, Bush), not voting likely benefits them over the dems. Depending on your state of course.

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                    Well, at least that’s a cogent basis for an argument, thank you.

                    Though I still think this is something Democratic strategists should understand at this point – ultimately it’s Biden’s responsibility to drive out voters, not play chicken with his base in defense of unrepentant war criminals.

                    I don’t think voters can be blamed for being unable to support the politics of the party moving so far to the right, especially when Biden’s presidency itself is already representative of a massive compromise by progressive voters. If Biden loses, the blame and pressure needs to be put onto the DNC and Biden for failing to do what it takes to keep their base fed, not on the voters, or we are going to end up in this same cycle forever.

                    A lot of our most prominent progressive representatives came into office after 2016, as a result of Clinton’s failure. The party strategists understand when they lose, they do post-mortems even if they’re not public about them. So I still hold that it’s a valid strategy to allow democrats to fail when they end up going to far to the right, especially in such an egregious case as what we see with Gaza. Democratic support for the genocide can’t continue, it’s beyond the pale.

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                  According to you if you watch a murder happen you are simply protesting the victim and the murderer

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                    This situation is more like seeing two people murdering others and getting told you’re supporting the one who has killed eight people instead of seven because I’m not helping either of them kill people.