• givesomefucks@lemmy.world
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    Soā€¦

    When Biden and the White House complained about the result of:

    Biden knowingly broke the law but is too old and confused to be prosecuted

    And they told us that was partisan bullshit and the interview tapes would show he has his shit together but they canā€™t release the tapesā€¦

    That was complete bullshit?

    This is the same shit trump would pull.

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      No. They just know that Republicans and their cable news sycophants will do the exact thing they did with the Hur report.

      Ignore the overall findings, find one sentence in it that spins it negative, soundbite the fuck out of it, and repeat it ad nauseum.

      And yes, this is the same thing Trump did. And Obama. And Bush. This has been a standard move for decades. Itā€™s just news now because of the regressive morons in congress and their orange dictator-in-waiting.

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        Republicans are going to say stupid shit anywaysā€¦

        Theyā€™re already saying it.

        The only reason to hide the tapes, is they make Biden look bad. If he had his shit together, theyā€™d be trying to release them to show people the report was biased.

        Candidate:

        This would exonate me!

        Everyone else:

        Can we see/hear it?

        Candidate:

        Objection! If people saw/heard this, it would make me look bad!

        This is a bad thing regardless of the letter next to a candidates name.

        Edit:

        Ignore the overall findings

        ā€¦

        Thatā€™s what youā€™re doingā€¦

        The overall findings was Biden knowingly committed crimes.

        find one sentence in it that spins it n

        Thatā€™s what youā€™re doing.

        You latched on ā€œcharges not recommendedā€ and are ignoring the rest of the sentence that says the only reason is because due to Bidenā€™s age and confusion, itā€™s unlikely heā€™d be found guilty as people would be sympathetic.

        Youā€™re not even focusing on a single sentenceā€¦

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          ā€œThe only reason to hide the tapes, is they make Biden look bad. If he had his shit together, theyā€™d be trying to release them to show people the report was biased.ā€

          But they already released the transcripts. They are just refusing to release the audio. There isnā€™t new information to be gained. Just an opportunity for Republicans to splice and dice the audio for partisan purposes.

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            It is, and itā€™s a god damn world saladā€¦

            https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/joe-biden/full-text-robert-hur-biden-classified-documents-interview-pdf-rcna142956

            At one point he talks about how NASA can cure cancer with protonsā€¦

            Americans donā€™t like to read, Iā€™m not sure how an American hasnā€™t noticed that.

            But all the shit we (rightfully) give trump shit about with his speaking ability and making up random shit is stuff Biden does too.

            A clip of him talking about how NASA has a cure for cancer is going to hurt him.

            And it does make sense he wouldnā€™t want that released.

            But be better than republicans. Hold your ā€œteamā€ to higher standards than just the letter by someoneā€™s name.

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              I donā€™t think Biden having dementia and spewing nonsense is news to anyone. Yes it hurts him and will draw more attention in audio than in text, which is one of the reasons they arenā€™t releasing it.

              ā€œBut be better than republicans. Hold your ā€œteamā€ to higher standards than just the letter by someoneā€™s name.ā€

              No. Fuck that. We tried that and ended up with a conservative majority on SCOTUS. Donā€™t do anything to give Republicans or Trump an advantage. Iā€™m just as disappointed as anyone that Biden is the best candidate the Dems can produce, and that his campaign slogan is effectively ā€œbetter than Trumpā€. But I donā€™t agree with making it easier for Republicans to hurt your campaign just for the sake of taking the moral high ground. Save that conversation for when your opponent isnā€™t a literal fascist. Make the Republicans work for it. If the transcript doesnā€™t titillate your Fox News braindead audience then too bad.

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                . Fuck that. We tried that and ended up with a conservative majority on SCOTUS

                ā€¦

                Refusing to fight for Obamaā€™s SC pick so that it could be used to get people to vote for a candidate disliked by most people from either party is not ā€œhaving standardsā€.

                Itā€™s wild to hear someone even suggest thatā€™s what happenedā€¦

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                  Refusing to fight for Obamaā€™s SC pick so that it could be used to get people to vote for a candidate disliked by most people from either party is not ā€œhaving standardsā€.

                  If this is what you think happened in 2016 after Senate Republicans openly admit that they blocked Obamaā€™s SC pick, then I hope nobody is listening to you because youā€™ve lost all credibility. They even said that they would do the same thing to a Republican president, but then they moved faster than Iā€™ve ever seen Congress move to install a new Justice just a few weeks before the 2020 election. Thereā€™s video of Lindsey Graham telling people to use his words against him if they behaved differently with roles reversed, and he behaved differently, and then that interview video went viral right before the election. Thereā€™s no excuse for not knowing what happened, so I have to assume that youā€™re just arguing in bad faith, trying to sow division.

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                    Between the insults, you said I donā€™t know what happened, then said what happened was the same thing I said?

                    Is it just because I pointed out Dems didnā€™t fight or try anything to get Obama his pick?

                    Or that the reason they didnā€™t was in an attempt to motivate voters to turn out for someone they donā€™t like?

                    I just donā€™t see anywhere else we disagree, but if you keep the insults up Iā€™m probably just going to block you and be done with this.

                    If you want a political group ok with juvenile insults, republicans are on the other side of the aisle.

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          But the transcripts show that the ā€œdue to age and confusionā€ was a mischaracterization by Hur. Itā€™s like when Barr declared the Mueller report exonerated trump.

          There are a lot of podcasts that break it down if youā€™re not interested in looking at the transcripts yourself.

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            There are a lot of podcasts that break it down if youā€™re not interested in looking at the transcripts yourself.

            Literally just posted it and Iā€™ve read itā€¦

            Most people arenā€™t politically active to be on a sub about it, theyā€™re not going to read it.

            Like, I run into this all the time, Biden supporters just donā€™t seem to understand how disengaged people are with Biden as president.

            If the I tervirw makes him look good like you claim, whatā€™s wrong with releasing it so people can hear the good bits?

            Why care if Republicans are going to talk shit if theyā€™re already talking shit and wonā€™t stop for any reason?

            The optics of Biden hiding it are worse

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              If people are disengaged, there are no optics to hiding it because the only people who will even know already have their minds made up.

              Releasing it just gives Fox and their ilk material to chop and edit to make Biden look bad.

              Thereā€™s no upside to releasing it when the transcript is already out there.

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              If the I tervirw makes him look good like you claim, whatā€™s wrong with releasing it so people can hear the good bits?

              Because anybody with even a basic awareness of how Republicans operate knows that people wonā€™t hear the good bits. The statements will be chopped up and released as distorted propaganda pieces.

              They already have the transcript. There is nothing to be gained by giving them the audio. All it would do is allow them to further rile up their bases with disinformation.

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                Because anybody with even a basic awareness of how Republicans operate knows that people wonā€™t hear the good bits.

                Who cares?

                We arenā€™t going to flip Republican voters, heā€™s not gaining any he doesnā€™t already have.

                Elections are won and lost on dem turnout, and if the audio makes Biden seem capable, that makes the ā€œold and confusedā€ reason for not charging him bullshit.

                And that might be enough for them to also write off the reasoning for not charging him, and maybe even the fact that the report found him guilty

                They call Biden a fucking communist, no matter what happens, republicans will always tell their voters itā€™s the worst thing ever.

                So who cares what theyā€™re going to say?

                If this gets more voters to the polls, itā€™s a win for Biden.

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                  If we donā€™t care what republicans think then why do we care about meeting their demands to release the tape?

                  If elections are won and lost on dem turnout then why give republicans the opportunity to create misleading sound clips? Do you think more dems are likely to listen to the entire tape or just a few moments stitched together played on the radio?

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                    If we donā€™t care what republicans think then why do we care about meeting their demands to release the tape?

                    ā€¦

                    Because if it shows a capable well thought Biden it might convince voters who arenā€™t voting for him because heā€™s 82 years oldā€¦

                    How do people not understand?

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      Abusing executive privilege to gain an upper hand in the election is exactly what trump would do.