• Egon [they/them]@hexbear.net
            link
            fedilink
            English
            arrow-up
            62
            arrow-down
            8
            ·
            1 year ago

            Yeah that’s how wars usually end, right? A country leaves and then negotiations start.

            Since we’re in imaginationland, how about all ukrainians get a free dolphin?

          • AntiOutsideAktion [he/him]@hexbear.net
            link
            fedilink
            English
            arrow-up
            50
            arrow-down
            5
            ·
            edit-2
            1 year ago

            Your comment makes me want to see a fan cut of Captain America where he just gets the shit beaten out of him and his limbs ripped off and he dies and every five minutes “I can do this all day” but it never turns around and he fucking dies. He never appears to make a come back. He just keeps getting his ass kicked and never stops saying the line. Except it’s not his ass getting kicked, it’s some random children he took off the street and forced to be child soldiers or he’d kill them. And he just keeps saying “I can do this all day” while tens of thousands of people keep getting killed and not once for any reason or goal that progress is made towards. Just tens of thousands of dead bodies every month. “I can do this all day” except he’s not even there he’s on an internet forum. It’s still tens of thousand of dead bodies but not his. And he’ll never give up. But he’ll never get any closer to winning. Just death to countless people who aren’t him. He can do it all day. And every time he says it you can tell he feels really cool and badass. He’s Captain America. He doesn’t quit just because it looks bad.

          • Babs [she/her]@hexbear.net
            link
            fedilink
            English
            arrow-up
            45
            arrow-down
            4
            ·
            1 year ago

            Do you think it is realistic that Russia will unilaterally pull out? The war will end when Russia leaves, but Russia isn’t going to leave until they are pushed out, negotiations are had, or Ukraine is destroyed. The first possibility is becoming increasingly more unlikely, and the last is something that nobody should want

            That leaves negotiations. I think Ukraine should come to the table while they still have some leverage, which is decreasing every week that they throw their men into the meat grinder without meaningful gains.

            • sunbeam60@lemmy.one
              link
              fedilink
              arrow-up
              7
              arrow-down
              1
              ·
              1 year ago

              It doesn’t leave only negotiations. Russia tried for 10+ years in Afghanistan. The US the same, there and in Vietnam. There is such as giving up and going home. That’s the “win” a small state can inflict on a large one. I don’t think that’s where Ukraine and Russia is headed, but there’s a quick for Ukraine and a slow “win” for Ukraine.

              • TheLepidopterists [he/him]@hexbear.net
                link
                fedilink
                English
                arrow-up
                37
                arrow-down
                2
                ·
                1 year ago

                Wait, so your ideal is instead of negotiations, in the same vein as Afghanistan, Ukraine experiences this horrible war for another 9 years and then becomes a state ruled by the fighters involved in the war with the most extremist far right ideology rule it as a theocracy? To be clear that ideology in this case is Nazism.

                You don’t sound like an ally of the Ukrainian people.

                • sunbeam60@lemmy.one
                  link
                  fedilink
                  arrow-up
                  3
                  arrow-down
                  1
                  ·
                  1 year ago

                  For sure there’s a real risk Ukraine isn’t winning this war. But there’s never been a war where there’s absolute certainty one side will win, until we get to the “downfall” times.

                  • Adkml [he/him]@hexbear.net
                    link
                    fedilink
                    English
                    arrow-up
                    26
                    arrow-down
                    2
                    ·
                    1 year ago

                    So you think they should just keep sending conscripts to die until the downfall times or until Russia just decides to leave?