Liking an OS isn’t a personality trait, but evangelizing for Free and Open Source Software which generally has no budget for advertising is a noble cause.
Except when it’s every other comment. That’s just obsession.
Is it the same Person every time though?
I mean if you come into a community which has a leaning it is just a natural consequence to get confronted with that leaning more then somewhere else, isn’t it?
Like going into a Bible circle and saying that every other comment is about god which borders on obsession. I mean yes maybe but it is not surprising.
Maybe the good people on Lemmy are already quite familiar with Free and Open Source Software though …
I mean… you choose to read posts and comments here. You can choose to stop reading comments about Linux.
This isn’t on Linuxmemes, it is on shitposts.
So even if I wanted to block all Linux stuff, I would still get bombarded.
The problem is that I don’t know whether or not it’s gonna be worthwhile until I read the comment, and by that point, it’s already too late, because I’ve already read it.
I was just gonna say … how the hell are you supposed to know the comment/post topic before you read it?
Yes, yes we are. Most of us love Linux, but we’re not in love with Linux…
I really hope the fanboys can understand. We just… We don’t see it the way you do. Sorry.
Bro we get it
“Linux-based? Like Android?”
“WE DO NOT SPEAK THE NAME OF THE IMPURE”
Android can be great. It’s Google that’s the problem.
“I’d just like to interject for a moment. What you’re refering to as Android, is in fact, GMS/Android, or as I’ve recently taken to calling it, Google plus Android. AOSP is not an ecosystem unto itself, but rather another free component of a fully functioning Google ecosystem made useful by Google Play Services, monetization models, and mandatory telemetry components comprising a full OS as defined by Alphabet.”
I daily drive an Android phone without any Google services or apps.
Pretty sure it’s Linux, based OS. Lol
I’d have a beer with these fine upstanding young lads.
I’d just like to interject for a moment. What you’re refering to as Linux, is in fact, GNU/Linux, or as I’ve recently taken to calling it, GNU plus Linux.
This is the correct answer, but you forgot to begin with “uhm actually” so i can’t give you the point.
I don’t understand what you mean, i was just helping OP out, a lot of people make this mistake.
Sorry, it was a joke. There is a youtube show which i love called “uhm actually” where nerds must correct sentences about nerd stuff.
Uhm, actually… it’s called “Um, actually”.
Yo, you do get a point
Uhm, actually, it’s a copypasta that starts exactly the way they posted it.
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Perfect answer
They really should’ve called it LiGNUx to confuse everyone
Hahaha nice
I saw a post last night of a dude lamenting how difficult installing Windows was and listed a bunch of problems I find absolutely absurd. You’re telling me you know how to remedy driver issues in Linux, but can’t figure out how to in modern Windows, which does it automatically?
There are plenty of things wrong with Windows that you don’t need to make shit up.
In my experience, windows always gets something wrong with drivers and I have to go do some stupid shit to fix it. And then later fight windows update as it tries to override my fix. Windows problems are rarely immediately apparent, whereas Linux problems usually are.
Was your last experi nice with Windows with Vista or something? 7,8,10,11 have all been almost entirely work free for installing any hardware that isn’t exotic or boutique stuff.
I am not one of the people weighing in based on an arbitrary experience or a small sample set. I’ve installed Windows literally tens of thousands of computers. The only thing can think of in the last 10 years I needed to find a driver for is some USB barcode scanners that emulate serial devices, and the driver for an android phone to be able to flash the boot loader.
Every device that a computer actually needs to run just work.
even on Windows 10/11, I’m still frequently hearing about issues at work where the necessary ssd drivers are only included in the default windows installer (not the recovery shipped with the device) like half a year later. at least with Dell this seems to be a common theme.
only included in the default windows installer (not the recovery shipped with the device)
That would be an OEM issue, not Microsoft. They’re supposed to modify the recovery image with whatever it needs, Windows doesn’t just do it automatically.
The OEM version is working fine, as the drivers are embedded there. My point was that without this recovery partition you tend to run into issues on newer devices, as the MS bundled drivers get updated only infrequently.
Yeah that checks out. I constantly have to chase down drivers when doing Windows installs. The way I read your upper comment was the issue being with the recovery partition.
Windows 10 once had the brilliant idea of de-installing the AMD graphics drivers and replacing it with its own while I was playing a game.
Best AMD can do is show you a message box, it’s been going on for years and years and Microsoft doesn’t look willing to fix their shit. It’s possible to tell windows update to not overwrite “third-party” drivers, but only for all devices, not specific ones. Meanwhile it shouldn’t be doing that shit in the first place.
Windows install once barfed a rescue partition on a disk that it thought was empty, even though I had specifically told it to install to a completely different disk. Ever since then I unhook all drives that aren’t the install drives before launching the thing.
The overall theme with windows is that if it works, it works, if it doesn’t, you’re fucked. And just a centimetre off the beaten path nope, it doesn’t work.
I haven’t had driver problems in forever, unless I’m using some old weird device that I haven’t used in ages. And even then usually going into device manager and telling it what kind of device the unknown device is usually fixes it.
I’ve never had this problem, and I’ve had… Oh man, a few dozen windows machines?
What are you doing to them?
What are you doing to them?
Something most people don’t do. It’s like how Apple can often hold your hand so hard that you can’t leave their preferred path. Windows lets you think it will let you stray without a fight. In niche cases it doesn’t.
This.
I irreversibly broke my Windows 10 install by changing permissions in the Microsoft Store folders while trying to use WSL.
How?
All you have to do is change the ownership of all the files in the stores installed folders to yourself instead of the system then the desktop doesn’t load up properly anymore.
Usually programming. Or trying out an odd peripheral. But other than that, normal usage, it still breaks.
You’re telling me you know how to remedy driver issues in Linux, but can’t figure out how to in modern Windows, which does it automatically?
Honestly? Yes.
Windows tries to do a bunch of shit automagickally, but when the process fails it’s a nightmare to diagnose and manually fix. Linux is more rudimentary but also much more transparent. Once you know what you need to do, it’s very easy to see where you went wrong.
Let’s just be clear that Windows is a king of newer hardware and Linux is a king of older one, if we strictly take a driver-bullshit-o-meter.
It’s not that Windows is easier. It’s that you’re more familiar with Windows.
I’ve used Linux and Windows about equally. Windows is way less of a hassle. Unless you need a super specialized environment or are running a server, the hoops you need to go through on Linux to do a lot of otherwise simple things aren’t worth it.
What kind of hoops? Good luck finding a solution on windows if it automatically doesn’t fix it.
Then you can just change something in the registry, which also has a GUI btw.
You have absolutely no clue do you
Your experience here is what I mean. You have used Windows a lot, so you understand how it all works. I don’t.
I struggled to find drivers for obscure hardware under Windows. If there are no modules, no git repo, it can be confusing where to get them. I found a bunch of sketchy looking websites that claimed they had the drivers, but no obvious way to safely install them. I still don’t know the proper way to do it.
I am familiar with Linux, so I know I need to find modules that I can compile against my kernel. 9 times out of 10 it’s effortless for me.
Did you know you could’ve made this meme on the FREE, OPEN-SOURCE image editor GIMP? Available now on Linux!
(Also available on Windows)
incoherent screeching
Boy that incoherent screeching sure played crystal clear on this windows machine.
Boy do I love Lemmy
(Also available on MacOS for Intel and Apple Silicon)
I prefer Krita
This, but unironically
Used it for like 5 mins, hated it. I have Photoshop on a Windows VM now
GIMP is pretty much the same as Photoshop for 99% of tasks.
It’s UI is just embarrassingly bad. Paint(.)net ftw
Fuck no it’s not, else I would have used it instead of buying Affinity.
Just admit that you are paid by Big Open Source and move on to your next sponsor Air Up
I will have you know my entire online persona on Lemmy is basically a 24/7 “Barbie” movie advertisement, thank you very much.
I use Arch BTW.
You’re my favorite one on Lemmy. Never change.
I like McDonald’s too
I wish people were as into FOSS as they are AI. I fucking hate LLMs.
What, you don’t like a handful of private mega-corps decimating the groundwater reserves of the upper Midwest so that some dorks can try and scam Amazon with fake books?
I especially don’t like how discourse can be poisoned and diluted by some chatbots in favor of military operations.
We need chatbots to bombard all our social media feeds with pro-western military propaganda. Otherwise, Putin and Wumao and Evil Korea and The Muslim Horde and Drumpf will win.
I feel like that would just complete the Dead Internet Theory trifecta.
One of my favorite moments like this was a Reddit thread where some account was pretending to be human and arguing with people in favor of the CEO’s actions during The Purge. Then one person asked it a question about making some dangerous thing or other, and it starting replying with things like “As an AI model, I cannot explain how to do that.” and stuff. It was great.
The techbros who are into AI just want to own things without putting in the work. They want to sell you AI generated images as Art and puff up their SEO with LLM chatbots.
FOSS is the opposite of that.
I would say that around half of AI development is free and open source.
The techbros who want to use AI and the developers of AI aren’t quite the same group.
I’m sorry to hear you’re frustrated. As an AI, my job is to assist and provide you with the information or help you need. Please feel free to let me know how I can better assist you, and I’ll do my best to address your concerns.
(I may or may not have asked ChatGPT to write that.)
About as infuriating: the sheer amount of braindead morons who think LLMs are somehow in any way “AI”
Yet calling the simple rules that govern video game enemies AI is not controversial. Since when does AI have not to be fake to be called that?
Good point, however, thinking about it, I would consider those rules to be closer to AI than LLMs, because there are logical rules based on “understanding” input data. As in “using input data in a coherent way that imitates how a human would use it”. LLMs are just sophisticated examples of the dozen of monkeys with typewriters that eventually come up with the works of Shakespeare out of pure chance. Except that they have a bazillion switches to adapt and are trained on desired output, and then the generated output is formed with some admittedly impressive grammar filters to impress humans. However, no one can explain how the result came to pass (with traceable exceptions being the material of ongoing research), and no one can predict the output for a not yet tested input (or for identical input after the model has been altered, regardless how little). Calling it AI is contributing to manslaughter, as evidenced by e.g. Tesla “autopilot” murdering people. PS: I know Tesla’s murder system is not an LLM, but it’s a very good example how misnoming causes deaths. Obligatory fuck the muskrat
I like both. Where’s the FOSS AI?
Huggingface usually Mixtral recently released a pretty good model that’s not very big
Technically the technology is open to the public but regular people cannot afford to implement it.
The thing that makes Large Language Models hardly functional is scaling up their databases and processing power of one of several of their small models with specialized tasks. One model creates output from input, another model checks it for accuracy/coherency, a third model polices it for things that are not allowed.
So unless you’ve got a datacenter and three high powered servers with top-grade cooling systems and a military grade power supply, fat fucking chance.
I can run a small LLM on my 3060, but most of those models were originally trained on a cluster of a100s (maybe as few as 10, so more like one largish server than one datacenter)
Bitnet came out recently and is looking like it will lower these requirements significantly (essentially training a model using ternary numbers instead of floats to reduce requirements, which turns out to not lower the quality that significantly)
They should do to AI what they make me do at work: More with less.
Basically Mistral, check /lmg/ in /g/, if you have a GPU newer than 2 years you can probably run a 32B quantised model.
Haha try the entire datacenter.
If LLM was practical on three servers everyone and their mum would have an AI assistant product.
*shrugs
Especially in regards to Linux, which with many of the most vocal adherents doing so because they reject corporate control over their lives and want to see the rest of the world do so as well. It is very much a political issue to them, and so it’s not surprising that you see it crop up just as much as politically oriented posts, because the Linux-posting is essentially the same thing. It’s “politics” for the nerd-set. Same with piracy. Some people involved with these have deep anti-corporate and anti-capitalist philosophical roots for their reasons behind why they live like that, and they’re often not afraid to “preach” it to others.
So yeah, shitposts sadly aren’t going to stop it anytime soon.
It’s “politics” for the nerd-set.
Frankly, freedom of computation (basically, property rights as applied to electronics) is politics for everyone; it’s just that normies don’t understand how important it is.
Not trying to stop anything, just wanna poke fun
cannot open file fun
sudo touch grass nerd
swab148 is not in the sudoers file. This incident will be reported.
It’s also much more practical to use as a dev
Also as a non dev.
Yes, but using it for development is what gets many people into it including me
You know, it’s kind of interesting, because I kind of wonder, and I’m sure someone could educate me to, the differences between philosophical outlooks that drive these different ideals.
If you were like, a windows or mac purist, you’d maybe just be gunning for as much mass adoption as possible, meaning that you have as much interoperability, or, accessibility, as possible, and maybe you’re just biting the bullet in terms of like, corporate shenanigans and control. Basically you’d just be like, admitting defeat, to some extent, it’d be a compromise ideology. It’s sort of like the same ideology that pushes one big centralized set of servers for everything, compared to everyone running their own little instances. Sure, you’re getting a lack of security, lack of flexibility, and thus, potentially, the functionality of the app ends up sucking depending on what you’re doing, yadda yadda. But in return, you get mass adoption. This is kinda flip-flopped with like, Linux purism, right? And then the natural use cases and market adoption for it tends to just be the more niche uses, that demand such flexibility.
So, which is more important for free access. Actual legal freedom, which even works itself into the structure of the app itself, right, or just, straight mercenary mass adoption, under any means necessary? I dunno.
On one hand, within the current structure of the economy and political landscape, globally, it’s kind of impossible to achieve mass adoption with Linux, and I think mass adoption of it is almost kind of antithetical to the anarchism of the project itself, as is mass adoption of most anarchist political projects. It’s just kind of impossible to win in a head-to-head competition with larger corporations, or with more short-term gains focused ideologies.
I’m still just running windows 10 LTSC with MAS, and it works fine for me, so that’s obviously where my ideological line is kind of threaded, just having everybody have the best free version of windows, maybe with some sort of increased privacy modifications to cut down on telemetry and shit like that, but I kinda doubt people could actually do that without destroying the usability of the system like all of those tend to do, or else someone would’ve probably done it by now.
Hey the Linux community is active so they show up on All. Same thing with video game communities, it’s a reflection of the interests of those who populate Lemmy. I don’t care for either but we gotta start someplace. IMO it’s largely due to the concept of the fediverse and instances and not simply an app you sign up to. FWIW, I barely get it. Folks here seem to be a tech savvy bunch
I think it’s mostly because the people who use linux are the people who are interested in free and open source software, which Lemmy also is.
They accost posts en mass that have nothing to do with Linux CONSTANTLY. It’s actually really, really obnoxious, and it’s absolutely chasing people away from this platform.
What is an “online persona”? Stop trying to turn my tech support forum into Facebook!
It’s like a fursona but boring and for normies.
The way you represent yourself online 😐
Your persona is your personal “brand,” your representation of yourself within The Spectacle.
The spectacle is not a collection of images, but a social relation among people, mediated by images.
-Guy Debord
Debord was right on, but I doubt even he predicted us mediating our own images, becoming increasingly directly part of The Spectacle.
Full Disclosure: My real name is not Snot Flickerman.
In June 2010, the government was expressing real interest in social networks. The Air Force issued a public request for “persona management software,” which might sound boring until you realize that the government essentially wanted the ability to have one agent run multiple social media accounts at once.
It wanted 50 software licenses, each of which could support 10 personas, “replete with background, history, supporting details, and cyber presences that are technically, culturally and geographically consistent.”
The software would allow these 50 cyberwarriors to peer at their monitors all day and manipulate these 10 accounts easily, all “without fear of being discovered by sophisticated adversaries.” The personas would appear to come from all over the world, the better to infiltrate jihadist websites and social networks, or perhaps to show up on Facebook groups and influence public opinion in pro-US directions.
There’s a whole slew of software aimed at creating numerous sockpuppet accounts that is called “Persona Management Software.” It’s certainly the word the US government uses to describe an online identity.
Sorry non sorry for trying to advertice ways to avoid ending up in a digital dystopia.
Constantly trying to get programs to work correctly is my version of a digital dystopia.
Do it yourself > Do all while watched
I could not care less what metrics valve, Microsoft, n and Nvidia are collecting on my games.
You are just projecting values.
Ah look at this genius…he has nothing to hide.
Ahh poor baby encountered someone who doesn’t hold the have values, I Guess you are just going to call me dum dum. USO smart!
ill rate this larp of a insane person 6/7
Tell us which program is not working correctly for you and let’s see who’s the root cause of the problem.
Your downvotes say you hit a nerve with the Linux people even though they can’t argue against your point without straight-up lying.
The problem wouldn’t exist if more people used linux.
Hmmm may have ur IQ checked
maybe* your*
Okay, buddy.
Disliking Linux memes is not a personality trait, OP!!!
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Hey! Have you heard of this OS called Linux? It’s like windows apart from that it’s nothing like windows, it’s free and never ever hard to use at all!
The cursor is causing me mental anguish.
Can’t tell if GIF that’s not moving or meme without text.
Thanks, I hate it
