Lmfao good luck

“Our report just said there were risks, we didn’t actually say you were using slave labour!”

What a fucking crock of shit. Chat shit get banged.

Transportation is not, by Marx’s definition, work that belongs to circulation of commodities. And I would also say that logistics also falls into the same sphere as well. Both would constitute a part of the production process itself. As would, on social averages, the marketing departments that produce branding and the aesthetics of a commodity.

The clearest examples of unproductive workers are those paid from capital: workers involved in realising surplus value, I.e. sales teams, shop clerks. And workers paid from revenues: directly hired servants (More likely in Marx’s time), and workers hired by the state for local and state administration, and others like them whose labour is paid out of taxes (i.e. surplus value collected by the state), but some of these are part of the ‘faux frais’ of production itself - like health and education workers, and can constitute productive labour as such.

A good article breaking down the topic from across vol 1, 2 and 3 of capital plus the theories of surplus value:

https://www.marxists.org/subject/economy/authors/howell/produnprod.htm

Also, and it’s touched on in the article, the incessant need to split this or that labour into productive and unproductive feels almost entirely unnecessary in regards to the organisation of the proletariat toward revolutionary ends. That any given member of the working class is employed in productive or unproductive labour doesn’t change the potential precarity of their position as a waged labourer subject to the whims of capital and its state.

They’ll be like VPs of their individual work team, working under a senior manager who heads up their particular work area. So like one senior vp to 2-3 vps, who oversee 2 juniors each.

Vice president in Citibank is like a manager of a small team, so she’s not particularly senior.

Source: had a uni friend who became a “VP” about 3 years after graduating.

Zero possibility that this friend lied?

Some people love to lie especially if it gets a rise out of people. “Defectors” including the likes of Yeonmi Park from the DPRK also are financially incentivised to lie. I know people that lie about shit in the UK to make things sound worse than it is, and they will swear up and down it’s true after being called out on it.

I think it’s recognition as an equal being on equal footing worthy of equal respect, not as an object of domination. In that equality the master can recognise themselves unalienated, and see themselves as a person worthy of respect in their own right. What worth is the respect gained from a slave who you dominate mentally and physically? It’s an incomplete recognition in its own right that doesn’t see the master as the full human they are as well.

Losurdo’s “Class Struggle” talks a lot about the multiplicity of class struggles through this lense.

Happy to be corrected on the above by any Hegel pros.