I just went and read your comment. Thank you for writing that. Very well said. I wish I had more patience like you do.

You had dozens of people telling you what he was doing. It had zero to do with vague feelings and practically nothing to do with his opinions, despite that always being the claim. It had to do with very obvious trolling. If I get banned for “sassing” you, that will say a lot

Wow okay.

Not sure if you saw this https://lemm.ee/post/45848048

I read this as “leave us alone about trolls, just block them”. Because while they say to report them first, we all saw how that went with UM. Lots of us were ignored for weeks. So Lemmy is only better than Facebook in that it’s smaller. So fucking disappointing. Trolls will be free to troll.

An excuse NOT to ban them? That seemed to be the process. And now you’ve told us to just report and block them.

If hundreds of reports did nothing for weeks about the most obvious troll I’ve ever seen, I have no faith at all that reporting and blocking trolls will help the fediverse in the least. They will be free to run their election interference campaigns just like on Facebook.

I know modding isn’t easy but Jesus this case surely was. No fucking way anyone believed he wasn’t a troll if they actually looked at their activity.

So no reaction at all to the fact that UM is now admitting to being part of a larger troll effort, after dozens of people told you that was likely, for weeks, and you dismissed all of them repeatedly?

Seems like we were all right and UM should’ve been banned long ago. Everyone who said they weren’t a troll was entirely wrong. That doesn’t seem to be acknowledged here at all.

You can’t blame the community here for being kind of frustrated with this response. Many people reported trolling behavior for a long time before that ban finally happened. If the things I reported them for myself aren’t trolling then I don’t know would qualify as trolling.

Several other instances banned UM for trolling long before .world did. Because it wasn’t unclear.

With all due respect, that did not happen with UM for months and far longer with linkerbaan.

Here is a gem of a DM from the troll who led to this even-more-hands-off approach, bragging about how they will get away with their influence/troll campaign scot-free.

Notice the use of the word “we”, a tacit admission that they are working in coordination with other trolls. Pretty fucking great, eh?

So the new rule is to let trolls do what they want, invisibly to the people who care most about that – because the rule is literally to have to block them? This is fucked up.

I couldn’t agree with you more. Thank you for calling him out. I can definitely say that comments like yours help me keep my resolve and think “it’s not just me! Everyone can see it!”

If you and others hadnt kept calling him on his shit I would’ve eventually probably just stopped using Lemmy tbh. Users like that absolutely shit in the pool. I’m sure he’d have a lot of whining to do about how he was persecuted for having a different point of view but we all know that was bullshit. Luckily we don’t have to endure that whining!

No examples then. Cool.

Yeah this a wall of text. To be honest I can’t really spend my already limited time reading 15 paragraphs from someone who ignores relevant points I raise.

In this case, I addressed the ban reason given, and yet you try to argue more about it as though I didn’t. If you cared about more than disputing me, you might see that this was probably death by a million paper cuts.

Maybe you can provide an example?

Hehe

RIP. I’m sure he’ll be back with alts, but here are the final stats:

UniversalMonk stats pulled 10/25/2024, 3:20:53 PM EDT

• Account created 78 days ago (8/8/2024, 9:21:38 PM EDT)
• 6,272 submissions (= 2,017 posts + 4,255 comments)
• 80.4 avg submissions / day
• 11.9 mins avg time between submissions (assuming 8 hrs of sleep / day)
• 87,814 downvotes accrued (~ 1,126 downvotes / day, 0.20 u:d ratio)

  • -70,379 net reputation score
  • ~ 1.3 mins between downvotes on avg
  • ~ 14.9 avg downvotes / submission
    • ~ 13.2 avg downvotes / comment
    • ~ 19.5 avg downvotes / post
    • ~ -11.4 avg reputation score / comment
    • ~ -13.4 avg reputation score / post
• ~ 16 typed pages (3,789 words) written / day

  • 236,631 total words written as comments, 58,852 total words written in posts
  • ~ 76 mins / day writing comments (40 wpm)
  • ~ 32 mins / day making posts (40 wpm + 30 secs / post)
• ~ 140 hrs commenting/posting in 78 days, which breaks down to:
  • ~ 108 mins / day
  • 11.2% of their waking hours

None of this takes into account time reading others’ posts/comments, or alts this user may have. See the modlog for any communities they’ve been banned from.

Fetch user stats yourself with: https://codeberg.org/p00perNickel/lemmy-user-stats

I think it’s obvious I’ve thought a lot about this, if you have any context outside of these couple of comments here. Which if you’ve been noticing this user at all, you would have a lot more context… Mods addressed it here, for example.

In any case, the mods/admins finally decided that they agree with the extremely popular opinion you’re taking issue with. He’s permabanned now.

Their stated reason is a little confusing, because they mention dms specifically. That’s certainly true and I’ve been on the receiving end of that several times actually. Just a couple nights ago they were dming me, bragging hard about how great their life is and how they have tons of free time to post. Stuff like “I get to do whatever I want, allll day. My house is paid off, I have all day, so I can do that. My life is great!”

The modlog links to a rule that cites sealioning and trolling being not ok. So I suspect after the influx of complaints they got, they almost had trouble even picking a specific explanation. The dude was 100% trying to piss people off and succeeded many, many, thousands of times.

To address your criticism of my script, a couple days ago one of the mods told me explicitly they were using it as evidence when talking to admins about the issue. Another mod said a few of them were playing with it and finding it useful.

Two days later, dude is banned. So yeah, the remaining tides turned. I think the script was a large part of it. I’m certain he’ll be back with alts, so the script I wrote for problem users like this will likely come in handy moving forward.

So that number three spot is suspect to me too. I would’ve assumed a lot of users over time would have broken -4000. Also aren’t you the dude defending UM to me yesterday? What’s your deal?

haha wow! Thanks for that. So apparently I could just run my own instance to get access to that data… cool, but raises questions. :/ Does it also federate more private data, like DMs?

Dude, you’re clearly being super unfair here. They are just posting articles, MAN!

UniversalMonk@lemmy.world “Socialist Mormon Satanist” stats pulled @ 10/24/2024, 2:38:45 PM EDT

• Account created 77 days ago (8/8/2024, 9:21:38 PM EDT)

• 6,247 submissions (= 1,999 posts + 4,248 comments)

• 81.1 avg submissions / day

• 11.8 mins avg time between submissions (assuming 8 hrs of sleep / day)

• 91,184 downvotes accrued (0.19 u:d ratio)

  • -73,569 net reputation score
  • ~ 1.2 mins between downvotes on avg
  • ~ 15.4 avg downvotes / submission
    • ~ 13.8 avg downvotes / comment
    • ~ 19.5 avg downvotes / post
    • ~ -12.0 avg reputation score / comment
    • ~ -13.4 avg reputation score / post
• ~ 16 typed pages (3,819 words) written / day

  • 235,046 total words written as comments, 58,969 total words written in posts
  • ~ 76 mins / day writing comments (40 words / min)
  • ~ 32 mins / day making posts (40 words / min + 30 secs / post)

• ~ 139 hrs commenting/posting in 77 days, which breaks down to:

  • ~ 108 mins / day
  • 11.3% of their waking hours

None of this takes into account time reading others’ posts/comments, or alts this user may have. See the modlog to see the communities they’ve been banned from.

Fetch user stats yourself with: https://codeberg.org/p00perNickel/lemmy-user-stats