that’s not an option

Why?

It is a viable option. There is nothing preventing the Democrats from opposing genocide

Biden could do so tomorrow. Harris could then continue that policy

She will have the same position on genocide as Biden

Kamala will be the same as Biden on practically every issue

Which overall, is fine.

But on this issue of genocide, is damning

I want zero genocide

The Democrats want genocide

The Republicans want genocide

I want zero genocide

and/or

“And/or” is grammatically incorrect. It should be “or” because “or” does not preclude the possibility of both being present

Yeah my point is that voters did show up. Dems did historically well in 2022 for an incumbent party

Its just that the structure of our electoral politics favors rural areas and gerrymandered districts. Which currently means the red team benefits. Which isn’t the fault of recent voters

You’re blaming an individual for the actions of a group that they are not a part of and did not participate in. That’s collective guilt

In what way was it more progressive than Medicare and Medicaid?

Lyndon Johnson and the Great Society is the high-water mark of progressive domestic legislation. Nothing in the 60 years since then is remotely close - quite the opposite, actually

Biden did historically well in the midterms tbh. If it wasn’t for gerrymandering and a population capped House, Dems would still have complete control of Congress

What evidence is there that Kamal will even try to pass an agenda that is similar to what Walz did in Minnesota?

I think Walz is the most progressive governor in the country and would love to see his policies implemented on a national level. What evidence is there that Kamala’s administration will even attempt to enact those policies? She has been light on policy, with the exception of supporting Israel and building the wall via the bipartisan immigration bill that the Dems are now running on.

I’m assuming Tester wins in Montana and dems have a blue house and 50/50 senate. But even with that, idk why we would presume she would be as progressive as Walz

Why are you utilizing collective guilt in your argument?

I agree. But the question is just do we want to organize under the blue team or under the red team/MAGA team.

I agree those are bad options. And I agree with the concern that many libs will just check out and go back to brunch if Kamala wins.

So it depends if you think Trump would be so bad that he would remove the little that is left of the ability of the working class to organize. We would become similar to Hungary under Orban in terms of centralized power with a deferential judiciary. That seems like it would be worse than 4 more years of Biden+'s blue team nonsense

You can do all of that and still vote for the blue team.

We all need to organize and work to strengthen unions. We need to do that. So the choice is just do we want to do that under a blue team presidency or a red team/MAGA presidency

Blue team seems much more currently amenable to unionization. So that seems like it would be the superior conditions for us to organize under.

Wristwatches don’t have the negative psychologically addictive and anxiety-producing effects of smartphones

Most people under 50 probably barely have any analog clocks around.

Every home/apt of every under 40 year old person I have ever been in has had at least one analog clock. And most have had several.

Also, grandfather clocks are a thing. And they’re gorgeous.

Extremely anti-social to act like digital clocks are better - similar to acting like social media and Facetime calls are in any way superior to irl face-to-face interaction - as our current loneliness epidemic demonstrates

especially her being the first ever presidential candidate to mention security and self determination of Palestinians in a speech

She did?

This guy screams I am a white cuck

Like he stands outside your window and does this?

Her removing Biden and getting Walz is all pretty decent tbh. Way better than the norm of Hilldog Dems failing constantly

He is just someone who has a few middling “progressive achievements”

He’s probably the most progressive governor in the country. Minnesota has passed a ton of great social democratic stuff over the past few years. Which obviously isn’t socialism, but it’s better than what everyone else has done, including Shapiro.

Also, agreed on the Zionism. But a progressive Zionist is much better than a militant one like Shapiro

Not sure who would’ve been better than Walz, tbh