It’s 24/7 with them and has been for literally centuries. I’m just gonna start telling them that we international observers are just plain fuckin bored of this after watching the US government get away with murder every single day, year after year regardless of whose ass is sitting in the oval office signing off on all of it.

Also, if they really truly believe that the Day of the Rope is going to come any day now then why do none of them ever own guns or organize or make any kind of plans beyond checking a box and threatening to go colonize move to other countries? It’s almost like deep down they know it’s all kafabe.

this time it’s totally different bc of 1/6 and Project 2025 (pls never ask why the dems don’t just do their own versions of those two things) /s

always love hearing that one as a klanadian lmao they’re like a child packing their lil suitcase and threatening to run away every 2 years

I have heard this fear expressed too that Trump would somehow bail on project Ukraine and NATO as a whole but I recall him also having similar bluster in 2016 and we know how that turned out. I haven’t seen any serious evidence to prove it and I personally cannot foresee a situation where he unilaterally just pulls out as a vanity project given what is at stake, and who the stakeholders are. If there was a case to be made I’d be open to hearing it tho, I am not an expert. I think it’s just dems slinging mud

anti-fascism IS just a vibe to them but fascism itself is too, I would argue lol. According to them fascism is when you say mean things about minorities on twitter and complain about woke, definitely has nothing to do with imperial shrinkage and what happens when empires run out of gas. This cycle has taught me just how little the american voter gives a fuck about geopolitics. They themselves will often tell you with a smile how they only really care about domestic politics (AKA what they personally stand to gain from imperialism).

Yeah I’m in a similar space as a Canadian. Stayed relatively offline until a couple hours ago and now it’s official lol. I empathize with your growing sense of detachment from American politics and what helped me come to grips with that is recently is learning that America has the most frequent elections of any country in the whole world. It’s baked into their culture. They go through this cycle every 4 years like clockwork, as their constitution mandates.

The reactions both before and after the 2016 one were EXACTLY like this. Same talking points, same willful ignorance of all the horrible bullshit the incumbent dem admin did like Biden blowing up Nordstream, helping complete the border wall, deliberately stalling/defusing 1/6 investigations, aiding and abetting the Palestinian genocide, stoking the Ukraine war, shrugging at all the SCOTUS rulings rather than just packing it like the GOP did…

It’s just going to be so painful and cringe to see all their fantasies about muh concentration camps and cancelled elections not come true and see them do all of this AGAIN in 2028, probably with fucking Kumla again.

I guess to get to your concern, if you’re being unempathetic than I definitely am too for whatever that is worth. I used to be willing to live and let live for americans who voted for whomever because I didn’t see meaningful difference and because I thought they were simply misled, but after being personally insulted and attacked and sneered at by Americans who tell you to butt out as a non-American when you stop toeing the DNC line, I kind of just said fuck 'em. I think they deliberately make the choice of “genocide over there vs over here” and dress it up with pride stickers and memes and twitter posts and Parks & Rec screenshots to make themselves feel better about only giving a shit about American lives. I’m just emotionally divesting from American politics and focusing on things that can actually help prepare me. It helps to remember that they do this every 2 goddamn years and it’s not the end of the world.

all that these useless ass city officials get paid to do is come up with fun new ways to torment and punish the dreaded Homeless

Zelensky’s government? Not really (bc that’s who they are). Zelensky personally? Probably.

god I wish. I enjoy Pick Me Up I’m Scared which goes into history sometimes

They’ve spent generations alienating and atomizing us to extract more profit, more rent, more income, neglecting our basic needs, but now suddenly we’re supposed to believe we’re all in this together? I’m going to laugh my ass off when this place crumbles lol I’ve been waiting for it my whole life.

I think this quote is a mealy-mouthed way of saying that basically every Canadian is up to their asses in debt and struggling to get the bare minimum they need out of life so no, they really don’t care what NATO wants. We’re not “divided”, we’re broke af and have bigger concerns. CBC journos really are something else. Do THEY know the “strategic realities”? If they did maybe they wouldn’t write pro-war puff pieces like this.

So many people I know here are either sick or chronically ill because they have no family doctor. Hell, most people I know my age want to LEAVE Canada altogether because we loathe it here despite being born here. There are certainly old geezers here and spoiled bougies flying Ukraine flags who would be fine with war and death because they already got what they needed out of life and watch propaganda 24/7.

For the rest of us who have already sacrificed and settled for so little (even having my own place to myself while working full time is a fairy tale now), we aren’t going to just happily sacrifice more so that Trudeau and parliament can sit around some more and eat bonbons and play war games. We’re going to be pissed and resist in any way possible. I think it would politically push a lot of people over the edge, possibly into communism, but I think we all know it’s more likely to be fascism. It’s not like the NDP are going to put up any kind of actual fight lol, they’re a worthless lib party now. Canada can go fuck itself in other words.

I see your point and will try and exercise a bit more patience in the future, but I do think that part of what helped me develop from a radlib into a leftist was the occasional cold reminder when I stepped out of line without doing any investigation.

If one enters a conversation about a conflict in a leftist space where the stakes are as high as they are (WW3, really) and tries to disprove facts by doing ad hominem stuff, you deserve a bit of ridicule because that’s not a real analysis. Acting haughty and doubling down on it and pouting when others besides myself directly ask for some proof is also not really a good look. Nor is tattling to the mods when you’re losing the room.

Please just have some facts if you’re going to walk directly into a thread and confidently say that it’s all bullshit and don’t take it personally when people lose patience when you do not. It’s not asking much.

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Is it brusque? Sure. But what exactly is factually wrong with what I’m saying? I AM criticizing what they’re saying because it’s just moralism. They make an emotionally charged statement where the gist is simply that they think the source has had other bad takes (thanks, we’ll take that into consideration) and then takes it personally when others point out that the factual essence of what the source is saying is correct so their supposed character is irrelevant.

It really is not my responsibility to spare the feelings of those who charge in with emotionally and morally charged “arguments” and then martyr themselves when there is pushback from people who honestly just want to know what they’re getting at. They still have not made a single factual claim here!

lmao right?? I feel like I’ve been hearing this one every week since 2021. I sometimes wonder how aware he actually is

I suppose it’s one of those paradoxes that makes you cross your eyes thinking about it; if they didn’t buy the bs about The West being superior, they wouldn’t have made it to a position of power at all. They live in glamour and splendor and are surrounded by people whose job it is to use scientific-sounding terms to assure them that their empire is secure. Of course you’d think Everything Is Fine in that environment.

Yeah 10 years ago (when I was a lib) it was maybe debatable that western leaders could sober up and turn things around but the past 4 years alone have informed me that they are in fact high on their own supply and truly think they’re enlightened individuals who deserve the power they wield, rather than mere puppets (or collaborators) who will stick to the script no matter what.

wtf does my “disgust” have to do with the facts presented? You’re just another shrill lib moralist who demands moral purity instead of, y’know, facts. Other people here have already politely pointed out how the facts here line up… how is it not naive to demand that everyone you’re getting info from pass your own personal idpol litmus test before accepting the facts? Just debunk the claims with facts or move on.

this isn’t a struggle session btw lol none of us are terribly interested in your “struggles” after showing your ass like this.

When their stupid ass plans don’t work out domestically they can just shrug and blame it on an external factor and move on, or shuffle the deck electorally. They’re not accustomed to being in a situation where they physically, materially cannot get what they want and no amount of reality warping and coddling by their institutions can change that. It does not compute.