No? What did I say that made you think I’m a trump supporter? I’m criticizing folks for celebrating harm coming to their fellow Americans.

No? I’m honestly not sure I understand your question about the civil war. The parallel throws me off because the point I’m making is Dems are maybe not “just as racist” as Rs but the fact they’re proving latinos were seen as pawns to be used when the Dems platform was basically everything Rs wanted while Trump was in office (minus family separations. let me know if you think I’m totally off). There’s certainly parallels to the civil war, the Northerners absolutely did not like it when free black American citizens first started to move there when fleeing terrorism I’m the South. That’s how we got red-lining and the modern for-profit prison system.

I am absolutely not doing what you’re saying. Let me know how I came off that way. I’m trying to be as specific as possible here. People that are celebrating bad things happening to their fellow Americans. Stop. That’s it. That is gross, to me. I think it’s bad philosophy and atrocious politics. We’re not in a civil war, we’re discussing how our fellow citizens voted not how they shot at our kids. Wait, it’s not even that. We’re simply discussing Americans that didn’t know anything.

Here’s my silly accusatory question: Our people didn’t vote. Because of that we celebrate latinos being deported?

Wish this could be a light conversation. This is truly not that serious. It’s a chat on fuckin lemmy (imagine this place is huge one day. lol)

Yeah, I think the problem was we just assumed everyone agreed with us on that. Those algorithms are real! lol. It’s apparently more and more difficult to even conceive of people that may disagree with us

Still, it’s legit surprising how many Dems assumed we’d have literally every Biden supporter voting again just because that’s what happened last time. I mean, I’m a fairly annoying nonwhite feminist and even I still think not using a white man as the candidate has been an unnecessary risk each time - especially when you consider the policies the DNC will enact are the exact same anyway.

Man… real economic change that benefits the working class would be so sick - a guy can dream

What exactly are you referring to? I’m saying I think it’s gross to celebrate bad things happening to people you disagree with. If my brother was happy that I was scammed, I’d think he’s a dick. If he later said he actually cared about me I’d remember him laughing.

I simply don’t see my fellow Americans as the enemy, I see them as people I disagree with. I see the wealthy people and the institutions that protect them as the enemy. Helping to divide poor people is very much against what I’d consider good politics

You’re saying leftist accelerationists are saying that? Weren’t they saying don’t vote/vote Trump because that will help people realize they need change or some bs like that? How did/does it seem like I’m saying that? What did I comment that caused you to have that assumption/reaction to what I was saying? The election’s over. Votes are cast. Let’s not be sore losers. Let’s talk. Let’s learn. Idk, back to basics time, to me. This is not the time to say I knew/know everything, no one better try to approach me with an alternative POV

That said, I get there’s a lot of pressure from bad actors testing literally everything we believe in.

Ok, we can agree to disagree on the effectiveness of that political strategy. I’ve yet to see it succeed, personally, and I think it just kind sucks how our party is so unwilling to compromise/work with literally anyone that doesnt fully support the Democratic party’s neoliberal agenda - tax cuts for the rich and of course more bombs (except gay soldiers are also allowed to launch them at brown people)

It’s wild how y’all can’t even see it or just immediately assume I’m a trump supporter or something. lol. Reactionary politics/ideologies are so silly, imo

I was thinking of the DNC. They raised like a billion dollars in 2 months or something. I’d consider that significant political power

It’s so gross how much some/the majority of libs are enjoying shitting on small, powerless groups that didn’t support their preferred candidate

If I say, the earth isn’t a perfect sphere and that actually it’s a bit oval/elliptical (or whatever or supposedly is) and then someone answers all pissy and asking me to prove it, do you really think I’m likely to help them understand my position if I find them rude and annoying? Most people that genuinely want to understand others’ point of view don’t say things like “or was that someone else’s fault?” They say things like"can you explain why you think that?" or maybe “I’ve been thinking xyz, why is it you think abc instead?”

I don’t understand what you’re saying. I’m trying to do the exact opposite of celebrating anyone’s misfortune. That’s kinda gross, to me

I know people that can’t even vote that are likely going to have to seriously consider what states they visit or worse. It’s wild that people that supposedly voted against it now support it because they want to feel good about themselves. Classic American shit, tbh

“I’ma be disrespectful to you, but I expect you to teach me!”

This ain’t a debate. lol. If you want people to share their knowledge with you, come correct. Most people would be happy to share information. When you act all dishonest it makes no one want to even talk to you unless they agree with you

Lol. How brave /s

Show your true colors y’all! Finally, you can stop pretending you truly care about struggling Americans that don’t share the same values as you - coincidentally, exactly like your slightly more racist/white-supremacist neighbors

Hopefully we can at least admit rural folks are absolutely correct in feeling like we hate them. I mean, that still won’t win us any elections but it’s a step in the right direction - one towards a more honest party

Now tell us your thoughts on latinos that don’t agree with you. What do you hope happens to them?

Lotta libs soundin real fuckin evil lately

Yeah, I’ve just got the book “Enemy of All Mankind” which is about the period of time when the East India Co. was just getting going. Apparently that time intersects with three big shifts: the first international pirate manhunts, the start of the British Empire, and the creation of the corporation. It tells a crazy story and I absolutely loved it

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Reactionaries suck and I’d hate to date one

I mean, Harris and the Dems didn’t even try, like seriously. Getting Beyonce and all the other celebrities our fellow moronic Americans already see as members of the illuminati is not trying, it’s literally the opposite

I mean, they spent $50m+ in fuckin Ohio! We lost fuckin Georgia while they were jerking off Cheney’s and trying to convince white folks in the suburbs not to be who they are

It’s legit insane to see the party straightup abandon working class demographics. Then again, this is the same party that now literally spends millions of dollars each primary on getting votes for Republican politicians

Hasan Poker ain’t for everyone but he’s super knowledgeable and provides great context for ongoing issues. I mainly watch on YouTube so the clips are edited down and even more context (charts, sources, etc) are added.

Meanwhile… other huge companies like intel are laying off 15k workers

To be clear, I don’t think most of these folks fully understand the consequences of supporting fascist politicians. My imm. aunt startled me a bit yesterday when said something like democracy means gay people everywhere. I said that’s not true and “reminded” her democracy is a system of gov where citizens can vote, one where women weren’t previously able to participate in, nor black citizens.

Still, where does that leave us? No fuckin joke, we basically need to stop trying to use facts to reach certain folks. My understanding is that means we need to use emotions/emotional intelligence. How do we do that? Not sure. Many of us had to numb the fuck out to survive what we call American culture, so we’re really just barely learning

How do we now make Americans that kinda hate our guts, because of tons of propaganda, that we care about them and want to work with them to improve our nation? Most libs kinda do come off like they hate them, tbf

Idk if that made sense. Kinda stuck rn

Do y’all talk to people day-to-day?

I hear a lot of anti immigrant rhetoric from my immigrant aunts and my more “trashy” or low-class friends (all kids of immigrants)

I’ve been saying this for more than a decade now, before bots became such a huge thing (I think), if YouTube comments are any reflection of the average person/American, we’re so beyond fucked. I absolutely do not practice cynicism

You’re both right.

Nazis had death camps, which are a type of concentration camp.

Concentration camps were what Americans had, when we imprisoned Japanese-American citizens. Apparently, Internment camps are concentration camps for “enemies” and supposedly not meant to imprison a country’s own citizens

It shouldn’t be hard to understand the benefit of this being confusing and who it benefits. It benefits the people that supported these unreasonable and racist actions and those that have profited off such actions economically and socially

Source, though I didn’t read everything