• MataVatnik@lemmy.world
    link
    fedilink
    arrow-up
    16
    arrow-down
    23
    ·
    9 months ago

    Liberal narratives paint men as aggressive rapists at worst, and toxic manipulative sociopath at best. Liberal narratives onstantly evoke “tHe pATriArcHy” and “tOxic mAsCuLinity” hiding misandry behind pseudointellectualism

    • Dasnap@lemmy.world
      link
      fedilink
      arrow-up
      19
      arrow-down
      9
      ·
      9 months ago

      ‘Toxic masculinity’ is referring specifically to masculinity that is toxic. It’s not referring to masculinity as a whole as toxic.

      • MataVatnik@lemmy.world
        link
        fedilink
        arrow-up
        14
        arrow-down
        15
        ·
        9 months ago

        Pushes in glasses “uuum ackshually that’s not what it means”

        Yeah no shit, tell that to the people on social media where the majority of popular discord takes place. And pretending that the meaning of the two isn’t obfuscated is disingenuous. At the end of the day it’s all antipositivists theory garbage that reads more like a political treatise than academic study.

        • hakase@lemm.ee
          link
          fedilink
          English
          arrow-up
          9
          arrow-down
          15
          ·
          edit-2
          9 months ago

          Exactly. Feminist terminology like “toxic masculinity” and “patriarchy” has been very carefully chosen to be misandrist enough to result in the intended widespread popular demonization of men that we’ve seen over the past few decades, while also giving feminists enough deniability to gaslight with “that’s not what the terms ackchually mean though”.

          The misandry is a feature, not a bug.

    • Ashyr@sh.itjust.works
      link
      fedilink
      arrow-up
      15
      arrow-down
      8
      ·
      9 months ago

      Brosif, calling a discussion of the patriarchy misandry makes it clear you don’t know what the patriarchy even is. It hurts everyone.

      • MataVatnik@lemmy.world
        link
        fedilink
        arrow-up
        9
        arrow-down
        11
        ·
        9 months ago

        This is the pseudointellectualism I’m talking about. “You don’t actually understand what it ACTUALLY means” while the meanings are clearly obfuscated for the layperson.

      • hakase@lemm.ee
        link
        fedilink
        English
        arrow-up
        10
        arrow-down
        14
        ·
        9 months ago

        Brosef, the term “patriarchy” itself is (and has always been) intentionally misleading and inherently misandrist, and has played a huge role in the modern demonization of men as a result. The “academic definition” of the term is irrelevant, as the (fully intended) real world negative consequences of the term for men in the cultural zeitgeist have been systemic and pervasive, as we can see all over this thread.

    • kitb@lemmy.world
      link
      fedilink
      English
      arrow-up
      4
      arrow-down
      3
      ·
      9 months ago

      While those are some examples of “liberal narratives”, there’s also a very real “men are harmed by the patriarchy too” narrative.

      I see the problem you see and I agree with you about it, it’s just the narratives you’ve described aren’t the only liberal narratives.

      • MataVatnik@lemmy.world
        link
        fedilink
        arrow-up
        6
        arrow-down
        12
        ·
        9 months ago

        That whole men are hurt by the patriarcy too is a cop-out when people get called out on their bullshit ideology