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    10 months ago

    Nope, RCS isn’t. It’s still not opened up for 3rd party Android apps.

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      10 months ago

      I mean it’s just a gsm standard with some extra features. Realistically you could probably (relatively) easily figure it out and code it yourself like beeper mini did with iMessage but I don’t think gsm or Google is going to change the standard to stop you.

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        10 months ago

        …no, you can’t. I’ve seen people try. Google says they will open the RCS protocol to 3rd parties… soon?

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          Google doesn’t own the RCS protocol. This is like saying they own the SMTP protocol because they provide Gmail. They are just one company that has implemented the protocol in their default text message app. They built end-to-end encryption into their implementation, which is currently closed source. I’m guessing this is what you’re referring to.

          Anyone can implement RCS. It may cost you some money and some time, but it is possible. That’s the difference I was originally trying to highlight.

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            No, anyone cannot. That’s why I said it wasn’t really open. 3rd party android apps can’t use RCS. I would need to use Google’s Messages app.

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              No. I’m sorry. You can’t just say it and make it true. Please show me how Google owns RCS or prevents other developers from implementing it within their own apps.

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                I’m convinced you’re incorrect. SMTP is an open transport protocol defined in RFC 2821 by the IETF. Anything that is an IP “open protocol” would be defined by IETF as an RFC. No one owns it. No license is required to operate an SMTP server. Same with other common protocols like SIP. It sets qualifications/requirements for what it is so anyone can use it.

                RCS is a proprietary standard owned by the GSMA. It seems there is some support for developers that want to use RCS but it’s through an API. Meaning your use is licensed and at a cost. Also, you can’t really see what it’s doing. You’re just using an API. Your access can be revoked. So is it an open standard? No.

                I did my own research and I plan to try these APIs because I have used other messaging services like twilio for paging applications. But here are some other geeks arguing about it:

                https://www.reddit.com/r/Android/comments/wm18td/stop_telling_people_that_rcs_is_an_open_standard/

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                10 months ago

                I don’t have the technical knowledge to explain how what works, but there are no FOSS or 3rd party RCS apps for a reason and you can find various posts on social media from devs trying to implement or even reverse engineer RCS and failing

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          That’s their rcs protocol. It’s the one with the features. Without the features is easy, the features are what make it difficult.

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        10 months ago

        All using Google Messages. Yep I’m sure. Samsung skins the app but it’s all Google Messages. 3rd party apps arenct supported. I’ll use RCS when there’s FOSS on Android for RCS.