• WaxedWookie@lemmy.world
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    Hamas is a terrorist org that Israel backed to replace the secular moderates - this isn’t half as complex as the narrative knots you idiots tie yourselves in to defend the genocide - in not sure why you’re finding this difficult.

    So basically the plan was “Kill us, so we could kill you” all along, huh? This is some flat earth level conspiracy.

    They’ve been signalling genocidal intent for years, but can’t just do it without losing the US backing they need to not get obliterated by their neighbours. Why else did they help the hostile jihadists over the secular moderates? Again, really straightforward stuff.

    Meanwhile, you use Nazi-tier logic to defend Nazi-tier actions.

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      10 months ago

      Again, really straightforward stuff.

      First, the whole matter of some country being able to affect political groups in another country being normal, as you’re saying about it, is more than lousy to say the least. Israel did not create hamas. Israel could not know how it will act over the years. Israel could not know who will win the elections.

      Second, proposing the idea that a modern non-jihad government would put their own population at risk of terrorist attacks in order to have a chance to do genocide of other population is ridiculous.

      Third, if the “second” thing above is incorrect, they would instead fiddle with the iron dome. More specifically, there would be no iron dome in the first place - they would take all the rocket hits they could in order to show the world how aggressive terrorists are and invade Gaza asap.

      you use Nazi-tier logic to defend Nazi-tier actions.

      I don’t know what to say here. What nazi-tier even means is beyond me. But you here basically operate with extremes like every actor does exactly what they are programmed to do. It seems to me that even if some investigation will conclude that Israel, in fact, did not intent to fund any specific group, you’ll still find new twists in order to make Israel guilty of what hamas did.

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        Israel did not create hamas. Israel could not know how it will act over the years.

        Noone said Israel created Hamas - but for them not to realise that they would be openly hostile to Israel given their rhetoric would represent a literally unbelievable level of incompetence on Israel’s part. Dumb and/or dishonest.

        Israel could not know who will win the elections.

        They threw enough money at Hamas to help them successfully win the election. Not a guarantee, but a definite finger on the scale. Dumb and dishonest.

        Second, proposing the idea that a modern non-jihad government would put their own population at risk of terrorist attacks in order to have a chance to do genocide of other population is ridiculous.

        A few of hundred Israelis traded for the extermination of the Palestinians and the annexation of their territory is implausible to you? Just about any force that’s conducted an annexation has paid a greater price than this - look at Russia right now. Israel aren’t Islamic, so jihadist isn’t a great characterisation, but they’re theocratic and genocidal - a distinction without a meaningful difference. Dumb and/or dishonest.

        they would instead fiddle with the iron dome.

        Why? It works well enough, and they haven’t bothered to invest further in it with Hamas in power and years of rocket attacks? Seems as though Netanyahu isn’t too concerned about a few hundred Israeli deaths, no? Dumb or dishonest.

        What nazi-tier even means is beyond me

        A far-right wing fascist ethnostate doing warcrimes and genocidal bullshit. Dumb and dishonest.

        What did these Israeli government representatives mean when they said…

        Prime Minister Netanyahu

        They (Israel/IDF) are committed to completely eliminating this evil from the world,”

        and

        You must remember what Amalek has done to you, says our Holy Bible. And we do remember.

        and

        I don’t call them human animals because that would be insulting to animals

        “Defence” minister Galant

        We are fighting human animals, and we are acting accordingly

        Kallner…

        Nakba to the enemy now! This day is our Pearl Harbour. We will still learn the lessons. Right now, one goal: Nakba! A Nakba that will overshadow the Nakba of 48. A Nakba in Gaza and a Nakba for anyone who dares to join!

        Atbaryan…

        erasing all of Gaza from the face of the Earth. Gaza needs to be wiped out.

        Halevi…

        goals for this victory. One, there is no more Muslim land in the land of Israel. After we make it the land of Israel, Gaza should be left as a monument, like Sodom.”

        In case you don’t remember your Torah, here’s a refresher on the Amalekites… I will punish the Amalekites for what they did to Israel when they waylaid them as they came up from Egypt. Now go, attack the Amalekites and totally destroy all that belongs to them. Do not spare them; put to death men and women, children and infants, cattle and sheep, camels and donkeys.

        You’re not convincing anyone, Rudolph Jitler.

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          10 months ago

          I can’t care enough to explain contradictions in your comment. It’s dumb and dishonest, also speculative.

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            The contradictions quoted directly from the genocidal monsters you’re defending, which are dumb, dishonest, and speculative?

            I’m sure you’ve shared your totally real explanation of the mask off genocidal admissions with your totally real girlfriend… who goes to another school… In another country - it’s all definitely real though.

            I wish you all the very best of luck in emulating Hitler’s exit strategy, Rudolph Jitler.

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              When I said contradictions and “speculative” I meant only unquoted parts. Quotes parts from named persons are pretty much irrelevant and I have neither time nor interest to verify them, especially when they are mixed with accusations of religious and/or other uninteresting nature and fake names.

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                You’re wrong and I’m defending a genocide - in just too lazy to explain why, and your quotes from the leader of the country she leader of the military are irrelevant… Fake news.

                You’re applauding the genocide of a group of people because of their race and religion, and you don’t understand why. You’re both a useful idiot and a monstrous piece of shit, deserving of the type of treatment that you’re wishing upon Palestinians.

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                  You’re applauding the genocide of a group of people because of their race and religion, and you don’t understand why.

                  I’m not applauding, it’s only in your head. If hamas fought for freedom they’d do it in a way that would not lead to current events. Even still, they can stop what’s happening by surrendering. I don’t need to care about their religion to understand that their actions are idiotic and will not lead to what they claim they’re fighting for.

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                    The existence of Hamas isn’t an excuse for the genocide of Palestine.

                    If Hamas all killed themselves publicly immediately, this wouldn’t stop.

                    The Israeli government backed the rise of Hamas over moderate secular orgs - they’ve admitted to this. The Israeli government wants to commit a genocide in order to establish an ethnostate - they’ve admitted to this, and kill far more Palestinian civilians than Hamas - to say nothing of those they’ve forcefully displaced, and the rest that they confine to an open air concentration camp (which they’re currently bombing). The Israeli government supported the Hamas terrorists, knowing they’d kill Israelis, creating the pretext for what they’re now doing. This is monstrous.