Former Rep. Adam Kinzinger (R-Ill.) bashed former President Trump online and said Christians who support him ādonāt understandā their religion.
āIām going to go out on a NOT limb here: this man is not a Christian,ā Kinzinger said on X, formerly known as Twitter, responding to Trumpās Christmas post. āIf you are a Christian who supports him you donāt understand your own religion.ā
Kinzinger, one of Trumpās fiercest critics in the GOP, said in his post that āTrump is weak, meager, smelly, victim-ey, belly-achey, but he aināt a Christian and heās not āGodās man.āā
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Obviously Trump is not a Christian. Thatās not the bit Iām referring to.
I mean the bit where heās talking about people who follow trump and who call themselves Christian. Literally no true Scotsman. They 100% think theyāre Christian, and they have just as much a claim on the title as anyone.
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e: and if you think they canāt be logically correct in squaring their devout Christianity with their support of Trump, theyāve got several āimperfect vesselā bible quotes for you.
You are assuming though that Kinzinger isā¦
ā¦, which he is not doing. Heās using the definition as defined by Jesus.
Or, as @agitatedpotato@lemmy.dbzer0.com puts it ā¦
Iām not assuming, Iām asserting that those gospels are heavily edited and censored by the church, so who really knows what the original intent was?
Leaving aside that the KJV that most Christians learn is filtered, sometimes erroneously, through multiple language translations, several of the original texts were cut from fairly recent editions because they contradict other texts or were morally problematic.
Claiming authority on what Jesus did or didnāt mean when referring to people who believe just as strongly theyāre right is a fallacy, especially when, given the context of many other horrible teachings the bible espouses, itās morally dubious at best. And those same texts have been used by church officials who should be authorities on the topic to justify atrocities.
So yeah, this is a fallacy.
Thatās one hell of a debate catch-all escape hatch youāve got there.
If youāre arguing that what weāve all been told about Jesusās intent and teachings are not true, then thatās a completely different discussion to be had, and weāre wasting our time discussing this current subject.
Itās not a debate catch-all, itās just the truth.
My point is and has been that Christians who say other Christians are Christianing wrong are using a fallacy, because itās just as valid that they think you are doing it wrong, and everyone on all sides can find bible quotes that support their views.
A hundred years ago, white supremacists used Jesusā teachings to validate slavery, and they thought they were just as correct as you think you are. You can say they were using those passages erroneously, but theyād say the same about you with equal conviction and, looking at it from the outside, youāre both right.
Not when there is an entire book explaining the ideology of Jesus. Ignoring everything it says proves they havenāt read it which proves Kinzinger right.