What kind of weak anon compiles his kernel without supporting the clearly required and already integrated hardware?
It’s fine and dandy if you remove coax or something, but video output? Really?
Linux Mint for people who have better things to do with their time.
EndeavorOS, arch based, gui installer up and running just as fast as a linux mint, but simply better
simply better
for you yes, I reallly don’t like the linux community’s mentality of hurr durr mine betterrr. To each their own.
It’s funny, but memes like this affect the opinion of people who haven’t tried it.
They mistake some extreme minimal arch rice for the general Arch experience or the general Linux experience as well. If so many Lemmy users, who are statistically tech nerds, don’t see through the meme, then the average person will definitely stay away from Linux.
This sounds like something that could’ve happened 28 years ago or if someone did a little too much fiddling for no good reason
The average person probably should stay away from Linux. In fact most of them should stay away from PCs in general.
They should stick to an iPad or something. That way I, the family tech nerd, will never be bothered by them a week after they downloaded “hacked Spotify” or some shit, that is now emailing scams to everybody in the continental United States. Most people just need a browser.
It would be convenient in short term. But, once the vast majority of people starts to live in the walled gardens, it would be very difficult to buy a “normal” computing device.
Based, most people today would be just fine with a Chromebook. Not to say I support Google’s BS, but 90% of people don’t need to do more on their computer then use a web browser to access emails, view their bank account, stream some shows and maybe write a word document here and there.
It’s true that Linux gives you control and freedom over your computer. But for the vast majority of people, that level of control is something they don’t know how to wield and is unneeded given their day to day tasks.
Ah yes. Let’s gatekeep Linux and keep the general public out of it. Definitely helpful to drive up adoption of desktop Linux.
As someone who recently started using it…doing anything at all is a pain in the ass in Linux vs Windows.
Installing many things requires following a guide instead of downloading an exe. And when one step of the guide yields something unexpected, well good luck.
The thing hurting Linux adoption is Linux.
No, it’s fragmentation. If you know what can be applied to other distros and what’s distro-specific, things become very easy.
You completely missed the point, which is standard.
Unironically yes. Let’s gatekeep anything that people can fuck around with that can’t be fixed by a simple factory reset button.
Learning more about technology and having more control can be really empowering. I don’t think dumbing things down even more is going to make people more tech literate and it’s definitely going to make them more dependent on shitty corporations.
Ironically factory resettable Linux distros are coming and will be more mainstream. Fedora plans to convert all Workstation users to Silverblue/Kinoite within 5 years. Being immutable distros, a factory reset option will soon arrive at them. Other distros are now also experimenting with this.
Driver for VGA/HDMI?
How much minimal that kernel is?
only enuff to boot 💪
You could replace Windows with Ubuntu/Mint/Debian/openSUSE/Fedora for even better effect.
Signed, a former Arch user
You read my mind. I’m currently trying to restrain myself from reinstalling Manjaro, and this post reminded me why I switched Ubuntu two years ago. Two drama free years as far as I’m concerned. And I can use printers without switching kernels! Imagine that!
Never had any problems like that with Archlinux. Literally one command, and all your video drivers are installed. And using a minimal kernel is not really a archlinux thing, since it isnt supported.
Sure, the drivers install real quick, but the whole model is rolling release. In three months, you can’t be sure that any one piece of software is actually compatible with the rest of your packages. Any long time Arch user will tell you about the weird manual tweaks they’ve had to make at one time or another just to make sure their wifi still works or soemthing like that. After like 26 months of updates, my version of wpa_supplicant just gave up the ghost and started crashing. Didn’t have this issue on Ubuntu, so the fix was clear. This wasn’t the first time some bizarre driver issue cropped up either. I’ve booted into black screens, my audio stopping working one day, I’ve had to patch my video drivers a time or two, and this is on a System 76 Galago Pro, so its not like I was using some exotic setup. I’ve just had to reboot from grub one too many times I think.
And thanks to the magic of downgrading a package, the issue is resolved within minutes. If any update breaks something, which never happened in 3 years of desktop usage and 2 years of server usage so far, you can just downgrade the package, to the previous version, ignore the upgrade and take some time to understand what breaks. But I understand, why this might be too much maintenance for some people, and they rather pay with their freedom, and let other people take care of their system. But for me, that is not what using Linux is about.
A lot of manjaro issues are specific to manjaro and have nothing to do with arch. I also had a lot of issues with that and after switching to proper arch, the only problem is nvidia (or stuff that I screw up on my own). Zero issues besides that.
Arch is the truest test of how much you’re willing to sacrifice for control.
You get control of everything on your system, but you’re basically on your own when it all goes to shit… which from how many of these posts I keep seeing seems to be a daily occurance haha
Hardly.
Gentoo is closer, it’s like Arch except you’re supposed to COMPILE every package…
Then there’s Linux From Scratch. You don’t download the Distro, you download the manual on how to MAKE the Distro.
Yep. Why not take Mint/Pop/etc and actually be productive instead of solving the ever so trivial issues on cmd? Matter of taste
Exactly. There’s no such thing as a polymath in this day and age, so you’re gonna have to trust somebody at some point, so why not put a little bit of the control freak away and accept a more put together OS from the community?
I’ve had more issues on mint than I ever had on arch, and I’m in no way a computer expert. Arch is just more simple.
Can you give some examples?
Every Debian/apt based distribution needed a reinstall after some time.
very probably my fault, but with Arch I always could save my install somehow, while with apt it was a lost cause - for me at least.But I spent much more time with Debian based system in the past and still all my customer production machines are on a Debian variant, for my laptop and workstation, I’m happy with Arch - or if I’m lazy with Manjaro
Go for Endeavour over Manjaro for lazy-Arch. Manjaro is the least stable of the bunch.
The choice for Manjaro was quite some time ago, so maybe it’s time for a re-evaluation.
Could you tell me, what you think the advantages of Endeavour are?
Endeavour is essentially just a GUI installer that spits out a proper Arch install with a few nice-to-haves pre-installed (like yay for example), and some good defaults (like increased parallel downloads for pacman).
Manjaro, on the other hand, holds back packages from the main Arch repos for testing. Which is reasonable in theory, but it means you can have compatibility errors if you install things from the AUR (which is the main draw of Arch IMO).
The Manjaro team has also forgotten to renew their SSL certificates multiple times (and told people to roll back their system clocks to fix the problems it caused), as well as DDOSing the AUR a few times too.
For me arch was just a fun project that helped me understand how operating systems work and how they interact directly with hardware
This kinda almost happened to me on my arch hyprland setup, good thing a quick search and editing the config file fix it lol. Nowadays I switched to fedora gnome and everything just werks ig.
I had to laugh at “minimal kernel”.
yeah, arch is far from minimal
Unironically me as an IT professional who uses Windows. It just works. I have to fuck around with all that shit all day, I don’t want to go home and do it too.
As a windows user in corporate IT. It just doesn’t work. I spend most of my time hacking my way through useless unix pseudo toys, wsl2, cygwin, mingw… Each one for every tool because… Reasons. And because wsl2 is just painful. So we spend time creating fake unix virtual machines via docker on kubernetes using vs code remotely on expensive linux clusters… Frustrating.
Go home and turn on a linux laptop just to see a real functional terminal. Deep breath, zen, cathartic.
Windows makes my otherwise fine daily work miserable.
I hate enterprise IT. Built for sending around emails and working with excel sheets.
I am seriously thinking about starting an AI start up just to avoid risking another windows laptop switching job (they always promise cool stuff, at the end they always deliver overpriced windows garbage, my 8 years old laptop is more functional than their $ 3k notebook)
Sounds like you’re just more familiar with Linux and that’s fine. I use Linux, Windows and MacOS regularly and haven’t had a problem with Windows honestly. The most frustrating of the 3 is MacOS, and even then it’s nitpicking.
In sorry, but they’re kind of right. Windows is HELL ON EARTH to support. Fixing issues is a guessing game because no one really knows what’s wrong, its garbage driver enumeration system means a year down the line a users monitor/headset/dock will magically stop working, restarting is a 50/50 shot of getting stuck on the spinning circle, I could go on and on and on.
Within three months of starting that job windows was gone from every PC I owned.
That’s why I use dual boot lmao.
That’s why I use Fedora lmao
I was once a minimal arch user and it’s awful because nothing ever just works. You’ve got to build everything yourself and it’s a ton of work, and often breaks. Modern, user friendly distros like Fedora work great. Never have to fix anything
Are you sure you’re not confusing arch with Gentoo? I use arch since 2011 and never had to compile anything by myself unless I wanted to use a program that’s not in the repositories.
And since 7/8 years it works for me out of the box almost all the time.
Build as in set up all the systems and configs, not as in compile. Many nice-to-have features just aren’t there if you don’t configure them yourself.
Why the fuck does it say by spez next to the community name? Fuck spez
You guys realize scapegoating spaz is exactly what’s best for Reddit right? He is the Fall Guy and was hired back on after the company was taken over, for exactly this purpose. It certainly not because of his intellect or technical prowess…
calm down. it’s not the real spez
It’s true. On Arch, you have to compile a different package for every pixel on your screen. It could take days to finish compiling and when it’s finished compiling all the pixels, you have to start all over again.
I switched to Ubuntu Cinnamon and now I can walk on my own feet again.
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You can toss Fedora in there too.
Me? NixOS. No grass for me, thanks.
Grass? Sorry. Grass isn’t reproducible.
Grass? Sorry. Grass isn’t reproducible.
My brother in
christGNU+Linux, have you ever been outside?
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It’s incredibly long stretches of smooth sailing interspersed by brief intervals of banging my head against the desk.
…which generally isn’t nix’s fault it’s just that fitting the absolute state that is python package management into something sensible is an exercise in futility.
Oh and occasionally I have to doctor around a bit during upgrades because my EFI partition is only 100MB, someone should have warned me. Deleting old generations and windows boot loader language packs and fonts generally does the trick.
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I have had zero breakage on vanilla Fedora ever since switching to it years ago, it’s probably the most stable yet cutting edge distro I have ever used. I seriously have no idea what you’re talking about and would love to see some examples of this supposed frequent breakage.
it’s probably the most stable yet cutting edge distro I have ever used
same experience, I daily drive Fedora and it’s my first linux distro. Have had a great experience especially after most of the software is on flatpak. Let’s see how that telemetry proposal goes.
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If it’s so famous, it should be trivial to gather a bunch of the more egregious examples of general update/upgrade breakage. Again, would you mind linking to them? I can neither personally remember them, nor is Google any help.
All I can find are minor, individual, dependency issues that are common with absolutely every Linux distro. I’m actually a little surprised how few of those Google digs up.
It would be rather worrisome if the foundation for an industry behemoth like REHL would commonly suffer from the problems you, and only you, are claiming without any kind of evidence. So, please, end my “delusion” and show me the error of my ways by showing us these common issues.
Are these issues in the room with us right now?
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Wow, “Google doesn’t index Reddit, Linux Forums and Mailing Lists” is a new one. Good job, I genuinely can’t tell if you’re a master troll or an giant idiot.
Regardless, as someone who has been active in the Linux community since around ~97, I’m at least certain that you are full of shit.
