• PoliticalAgitator@lemm.ee
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    11 months ago

    My agenda is “words mean things”

    If that was actually your agenda, this wouldn’t be your position. You want to lower the statistic using semantics and as an added bonus, take away the vocabulary needed to discuss a huge percentage of gun violence.

    The difference is, in scenario #1, nobody went to the party intending to shoot anyone. You can’t say the same for scenario #2.

    5 people were shot. Intentional vs accidental, premeditated vs impulse, none of that changes the fact that 5 people were shot and the event was a mass shooting.

    Even in your own example that you made as contrived as you needed, 3 innocent people were still shot and swept under the rug.

    The organizations you’re rallying against are completely open about their definitions, making them far more honest than you’re being.

    I’m sorry if that hurts your guns feelings.

    • jordanlund@lemmy.worldM
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      11 months ago

      They aren’t being honest because they do not discuss intent and they are intentionally trying to scare people by masking that.

      I tell you what, starting 1/1 pay attention to what they’re doing. By the end of January I expect you’ll be stunned at the number of “mass shootings” that aren’t what they’re trying to scare people into thinking they are.

      I should say too, the Gun Violence Archive isn’t alone in this:

      https://www.npr.org/sections/ed/2018/08/27/640323347/the-school-shootings-that-werent

      "This spring the U.S. Education Department reported that in the 2015-2016 school year, “nearly 240 schools … reported at least 1 incident involving a school-related shooting.” The number is far higher than most other estimates.

      But NPR reached out to every one of those schools repeatedly over the course of three months and found that more than two-thirds of these reported incidents never happened. Child Trends, a nonpartisan nonprofit research organization, assisted NPR in analyzing data from the government’s Civil Rights Data Collection.

      We were able to confirm just 11 reported incidents, either directly with schools or through media reports.

      In 161 cases, schools or districts attested that no incident took place or couldn’t confirm one. In at least four cases, we found, something did happen, but it didn’t meet the government’s parameters for a shooting. About a quarter of schools didn’t respond to our inquiries."

      So, again, why do they want to keep everyone so afraid?

      • prole@sh.itjust.works
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        11 months ago

        You know what would be a pretty interesting way to look at this would be?

        Lets take every modern nation in the world (we can bicker about what “modern” means later), and lets create a database similar to the one you’re taking issue with for each of those nations.

        We can be just as uncharitable (or is it charitable?) in our definition of “mass shooting”… The exact issue you’re having here right? You think that these statistics unfairly show the US in a negative light.

        Well how about we take a look, by that same criteria, how many “mass shootings” these other nations have. Hell, we can even do it per-capita.

        How do you think that would look?

        • jordanlund@lemmy.worldM
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          11 months ago

          I really don’t care what other countries are or are not doing, the fact of the matter is other countries a) don’t have a 2nd amendment and b) have universal health care, it’s not an apples to apples comparison.

          What I’m saying is, within the United States alone, there are organizations with a vested interest in making people afraid that they’re going to get shot when the actual risk is extremely low.