Reddit removes years of chat and message archives from users’ accounts::undefined
My gut tells me they are not deleted but rather simply no longer publicly available. Can’t have these pesky AI bots training for free.
I think it’s the opposite. These are private chats that can’t be sold to the AI, that’s why Reddit thinks they’re worthless.
More likely just moved to cold storage to save money. It’s expensive to keep data in an easily accessible database. If you don’t need to access it you can move it to object storage for pennies on the dollar and still keep it accessible for whatever nefarious data brokers you want to sell it to in the future
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How much data are you storing and how much do you think reddit is?
Right but the difference is Reddit is now charging an extortionate amount for data access via the API when compared to other platforms.
What do you think this (if achieved what was hoped) massive new flow of income was supposed to help sustain?
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Read about how they work.
No need to be quite so condescending is there?
I fully understand how they work.
Seems like this growth they should be trying to achieve is fucking futile when they:- cut off the apps that a portion of their most active users use
- prevent helpful bots (automod etc.) working correctly or being financially viable due to API changes
- shuttered an award system that helped maintain engagement via vain dopamine acquisition and actively made them money with no replacement in sight other than some data mined financial incentive program which will lead to a lack of genuine discussion
- spat in the face of their largely volunteer moderation community who volunteer their time for free to help keep things smooth
- delete the content histories of their users when it isn’t publicly facing. Users give content to platform, that’s how Reddit exists, to remove DMs from users it makes it very apparent they’re content pigs and nothing more. Can’t have a transactional platform (content to profit) if the content doesn’t feel any incentive to use the platform.
Not to mention, infrastructure costs lead to growth.
If you don’t have the resources to support your current platform, you shouldn’t be actively trying to grow the platform by discarding older content. It makes those accessing and making use of the content (be it individual or institutional) lose trust in the quality of data.Great growth strategy that.
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They’re implementing new chat infrastructure and only replicated 2023/01/01 forward. It’s in the article.
Oh man.
To be able to have a long running project and decide to truncate years worth of data…
Just, drop it like you never need it again.Apart from working at Reddit, sounds like a dream
100%. The idea that reddit would just permanently delete all those chat messages rather than just archive them away from the public is crazy. Even if they don’t directly sell them to advertisers there’s a shitload of value for private ML training
100%. The idea that reddit would just permanently delete all those chat messages rather than just archive them away from the public is crazy. Even if they don’t directly sell them to advertisers there’s a shitload of value for private ML training
Many of those left on reddit, not all but many, are the ones who were happily shitting on the mods who were protesting. Fuck those trolls, they voted for the Leopard Party. The rest of us did a data request like it said when the shenanigans started because the writing was on the wall.
I’m blown away by how it seems Reddit makes the wrong decision all the time.
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It’ll blow over sooner if we do it while they’re still mad instead of making them mad again.
Bad move. Should have waited until people had cooled down from being mad. Now they’re mad for more than one reason, which makes them more likely to leave.
That conspiracy theory that Twitter and Reddit are being killed deliberately in order to stifle the public’s ability to organize mass movements during the lead up to the 2024 election is looking plausiblier and plausiblier. (It’s a perfectly cromulent word, shut up!)
Ribbit
When you’re the CEO of a platform you don’t care about anymore and just want to cash out, wrong decisions are a dime a dozen.
Remember when people were critical of Lemmy because an instance admin could shut down and you’d lose all your account history…
There’s also a guy who says that Lemmy was created by a communist.
Well, this time “at least it’s not spez” works even if it’s a fallacy.
Weren’t they a tankie? I’ve heard about it a couple of times on Reddit before joining the fediverse but I don’t have proofs myself.
They are yes. They’re also admins of the oldest lemmy instances, lemmygrad.ml and lemmy.ml (ml stands for “Marxist-Leninist”).
The important point is Lemmy is not beholden to them. By design.
If they fuck with something down the line, it can be forked.
Like how Emby’s attempts to kill itself for profit birthed a fork that came to be known as Jellyfin, which now overshadows it.
Agreed… I’ve come to the conclusion that it doesn’t matter so I don’t give a shit, though.
Yep, they may be tankies but they have pretty decent values besides that, and if they ever do anything really bad with it there will be many people ready and willing to fork it.
Finally, somebody says the obvious.
ML stands for Machine Learning and just became a popular domain for open source apps.
Yeah, but that’s not why lemmygrad chose to use ml lol
But we were talking about lemmy.ml too
Yeah same thing, they were created by the same people
As I understand it: Yes, but they allowed Lemmy to outgrow them.
That’s the most important part.
They do better than Soviet union, lol.
Absolutely true even now. But Lemmy has good APIs which can be used to download all data. But the core idea is if you really want to have complete control over your data, just roll-out your own instance. Save the data for as long as you like.
Sure, it could happen. But it’s not an argument in Reddit’s favor when they’re apparently just as willing to clear out your history too.
whelp, the real “landed gentry” have spoken. now back to the fields, serf!
And here they were saying the private subreddits were causing usability issues…
The admins, not to be out done, have now just broken search links and user experience for the whole rest of the site. Not just for the private subreddits.
I can take my browsing somewhere else, but the biggest casualty of reddit’s implosion for me will be the years of help posts in hardware and Linux focused subs.
I mod a linux sub over there. Any tips on what to do?
Make Lemmy alternative and migrate here! Sorry that’s not really a tip, but still it’s a good idea!
https://redact.dev Edit all your posts and comments with a link to your new home here.
He really saw Elon destroy Twitter and decided to try a speedrun.
Lmao why would you only announce this in an obscure space that 99% of the userbase doesn’t follow?
If you’re making a major change to chat the obvious thing to do is send a message via the chat feature announcing it.
I’m only just learning of this now myself, lost some good stuff with YTers we worked with, shame.
Lmao why would you only announce this in an obscure space that 99% of the userbase doesn’t follow?
“All the planning charts and demolition orders have been on display at your local planning department in Alpha Centauri for 50 of your Earth years, so you’ve had plenty of time to lodge any formal complaint and it’s far too late to start making a fuss about it now.”
I miss Adams, he would have so much to say right now.
In the mid 2000’s, Reddit was created. This has made a lot of people very angry and been widely regarded as a bad move.
Request your data and hope you get it in a month
Reddit is sinking.Hopefully the captain goes down with the ship.
The only thing he’s going down on right now is Elon’s ego.
Good thing I’ve brought a towel
Now there’s a hoopy frood!
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People should stop using Reddit. Migrate to Lemmy or Kbin and show spez that he’s not as powerful as he think he is
I agree (as I’m already here), but unfortunately I think most “normies” don’t really care
People will not care about something until it exceeds a tolerance. It’s not productive to explain away behaviors with a label. What’s of more importance is why people are tolerant of things that are not in their best interest? How do we change that?
Thanks, those are great questions and a better way of framing it. What are your answers to them?
They are tolerant of things harmful to them because they have been indoctrinated to devalue themselves beneath the capitalistic company. However, this makes people assets to the highest bidder. Start a whistleblower rewards organization that pays people for revealing corporate exploits. The organization is filled with passionate lawyers and talented media personalities who will counter the indoctrination by exposing any and every corp any time they degrade people. Corps install security cameras and all sorts of monitoring metrics with which they can use as puppet strings to manipulate their employees. It’s time for the employees to spy back and get rewarded.
Who cares what they like/think lol
Agh what the fuck guys. I had a months-long convo about when I ordered a custom kitchen knife from an awesome aussie I met on the platform. Thank goodness I remember his username on instagram because everything else is gone completely! Glad I moved to Lemmy.
Wow, glad I didn’t have any. I really was a fairly minimal reddit user, fortunately. I do feel bad for folks who had a lot invested in those chats / friendships.
Oh that’s fine. Fuck the Reddit chat function. Only scammers and spammers ever messaged me on that shit.
Dont forget about the trolls lol
The self help bot is worse. It was only used to push vulnerable people over the edge and for pissing off people who couldn’t pm someone who disagrees with them.
I always enjoyed reporting the abuse of the self help function and just smiled that I aggravated a low-life that much. It’s laughably pathetic.
The help bot has instructions on how to report abuse that didn’t even work.
Why would they work? The only function of reddit cares was harassment.
Joke’s on them, everything I wanted was copied to local storage when it happened and the rest of my 14 years of reddit posts were overwritten with a single letter a and deleted.
As some other redditor said, reddit’s only value is our posts. delete all your content and let spez IPO the ashes.
Deleted all my comment and post history from there when I was directed to Lemmy. Zero regrets. Have not looked back. Find the engagement here far better; proper discussions without the trolls. Loving it… Also tried Mastodon and enjoying that too even though I never used twitter.
Used to spend hours each day on Reddit and was active contributor on the subreddits I subscribed to. Hoping we get some of the less popular and specialised communities here so we all got to make an effort to support the smaller ones by posting and commenting.
