Ridley Scott has been typically dismissive of critics taking issue with his forthcoming movie Napoleon, particularly French ones.

While his big-screen epic, starring Joaquin Phoenix as the embattled French emperor with Vanessa Kirby as his wife Josephine, has earned the veteran director plaudits in the UK, French critics have been less gushing, with Le Figaro saying the film could have been called ā€œBarbie and Ken under the Empire,ā€ French GQ calling the film ā€œdeeply clumsy, unnatural and unintentionally clumsyā€ and Le Point magazine quoting biographer Patrice Gueniffey calling the film ā€œvery anti-French and pro-British.ā€

Asked by the BBC to respond, Scott replied with customary swagger:

ā€œThe French donā€™t even like themselves. The audience that I showed it to in Paris, they loved it.ā€

The filmā€™s world premiere took place in the French capital this week.

Scott added he would say to historians questioning the accuracy of his storytelling:

ā€œWere you there? Oh you werenā€™t there. Then how do you know?ā€

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    Scott added he would say to historians questioning the accuracy of his storytelling:

    ā€œWere you there? Oh you werenā€™t there. Then how do you know?ā€

    What a dumb response. Thereā€™s nothing wrong with tweaking history to improve a story, but claiming ā€œIt could be true. Who really knows?ā€ is just pretentious puffery. Like the entirety of historical study around Napoleon is equivalent to Ridley Scottā€™s made up stories. What a tool.

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      Scott added he would say to historians questioning the accuracy of his storytelling:

      "Were you there? Oh you werenā€™t there. Then how do you know?ā€

      šŸ˜‚ That response sounds like moron creationists when you explain evolution to them.

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        Not sounds like, literally is. That was the crux of Ken Hamā€™s argument when he debated Bill Nye. Iā€™m not sure why he doesnā€™t apply it to his own Bible.

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      Second thing is age. Phoenix is 49. Bonaparte died at 51, after six years exile on Saint Helens. You can say what you want, Phoenix does look the part, but itā€™s easy too old.

      Just like Dafoe playing van Gogh itā€™s just not right.

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        On the other hand, I think a Hollywood actor with the benefit of modern medicine has probably aged better than someone with a particularly stressful job in the 18th/19th century

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          To a point. But twenty years is quite significant. If any itā€™s more miraculous that Napoleon archieved what he did when he was in his early thirties.

          To portray that correctly would be an hommage.

          Plus I donā€™t really like the fact that older established actors get all these character roles. I mean I get it, but I donā€™t like it.

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            Eh, do we really need to pay so much homage to a warmongering autocrat?

            It certainly makes for interesting history but we donā€™t need to lick up to them.

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              Maybe an hommage was too grand a word. I prefer less aggrandizing versions of his story like ā€˜blundering to victoryā€™ which make the case that he only prevailed due to the ineptitude of his opponents and insight of his generals (mainly Davout).

              However the minuteness of changes he had and the gall necessary to actually realize what he archieved are worthy of a story. Itā€™s a definite case of reality being stranger than fiction.

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        I donā€™t really care about that. If it makes for a good movie, then why should it matter? Itā€™s his attitude about it all thatā€™s uncalled for.

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          Fair enough, I just think itā€™s silly and an exemplar of Scott not giving a monkeys about the historical person.

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            A valid answer from Ridley would be that his adaptation makes for a better story and thatā€™s acceptable. But blowing off the historians like that is pretentious.

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            I mean, itā€™s a Hollywood movie telling a storyā€¦ if you care about 100% historical accuracy, Hollywood is not who youā€™re getting it from, nor should you expect it at this point. Itā€™s entertainment, not education.

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              I donā€™t expect it, however I do really appreciate it when they make an effort.

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      This is just pure arrogance. I think everyone understands you can take artistic licence, or even completely disregard history and do pure fiction, but donā€™t go claiming you know the history better than historians.