The share of Republicans and Republican-leaning independents who believe that President Joe Biden’s 2020 election win was not legitimate has ticked back up, according to a new CNN poll fielded throughout July. All told, 69% of Republicans and Republican-leaners say Biden’s win was not legitimate, up from 63% earlier this year and through last fall, even as there is no evidence of election fraud that would have altered the outcome of the contest.

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    They’re conditioned now to think any win by a member of the Democratic party is illegitimate. It’s going to be decades before we get back to anything resembling normal.

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      The echo chamber effect isolates left and right from each other. When 95% of your peer group shares your political affiliation, it strains credibility that the other 5% could actually wield any political power.

      This is a problem on both sides of the aisle. We’re all abandoning the center.

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          Depends on where you define the center. If you draw it based on political ideology, the whole of American politics is right of center, and only the most radical fringe groups are on the left. Doesn’t seem particularly useful to draw the line there, but you do you, boo.

          If you draw it democratically, putting an equal number of contemporary American voters on each side of the line, the center is becoming rather sparse as everyone gravitates toward the sides.

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        This is a problem on both sides of the aisle

        no, only republicans have chosen to divorce themselves from reality and create their own, including sorry attempts at “both sides” arguments

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        Just in case anyone isn’t aware, any “both sides” argument is always a republican talking point. One side of the aisle didn’t try to overthrow the government and install a dictator, both sides are NOT the same.

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          Where did I suggest both sides are the same?

          Acknowledging that neither is willing to bend toward the other’s position means the two sides have radically different philosophies, not that they are “the same”.

          The fact that both sides are talking past each other rather than actually engaging each other does not at all mean that both sides are the same. It merely means that neither is interested in compromise or cooperation with the other.

          I’m pretty sure you actually agree with my point. Surely, you are not willing to compromise and cooperate with people who have tried to overthrow the government and install a dictator. Surely you aren’t arguing that these traitorous tyrants are somehow willing to cooperate and compromise either.

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            Where did I suggest both sides are the same?

            In the very last line of your previous comment

            This is a problem on both sides of the aisle

            I’ll be honest, I’m not going to address any other parts of your comment because I just didn’t read the rest of it. That first line told me all I needed to know, as soon as you were called out on your blatant right-wing talking points you immediately go to “I didn’t say that” while it’s still plainly visible in your previous comment, moving the goal posts as needed around loose semantics so you can point and say “the exact words I said are…” When we all know damn well what you meant.
            No amount of word twisting or mental gymnastics will ever make this a problem on “both sides of the aisle” because there’s absolutely no comparison between the shortfalls of the left and the outright atrocities of the right and if you think you can draw any comparison between the two you obviously haven’t been paying any attention to American politics at all over the past 7 years and any argument you may have to the contrary is uninformed and invalid. Practice your trolling elsewhere, you’re not going to fool anyone here.

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              Pointing out that Nazis don’t want to compromise with Jews, and Jews don’t want to compromise with Nazis is not a “both sides are the same” argument. One side is clearly in the right, and the other side is clearly in the wrong. They aren’t at all the same.

              The “echo chamber” point I was making is that in our modern public discourse, the “Jews” are only talking to other Jews, and the “Nazis” are only listening to other Nazis. Neither side is actually engaging the other, and the political spectrum is becoming absurdly polarized as a result.

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                So you say that the Jews should talk with the Nazis so that they maybe tone down the whole Endlösung thing a bit?

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                  I’m saying that the algorithms that just show us the content we want to see have killed political discourse. I’m saying that when we kick, ban, block, ignore, don’t-even-read, and otherwise censor ideas we don’t like, we are actively contributing to the polarization of the political spectrum. We are complicit in creating the echo chambers.

                  When a Nazi walks up to a synagogue and is turned away at the door, a Nazi walks away. When he is “engaged”, he will walk away a former Nazi, or he will be running, or he will be carried out.