Increase rigor for screening on all firearm purchases
Removal of any and all “gun shop loopholes”
Voluntary, no questions asked, buybacks on any firearm
Two of these make it harder for new guns to enter the equation, while not making it impossible for a reasonable adult to get one, and the final drastically lowers the number of guns in circulation.
Voluntary, no questions asked, buybacks on any firearm
That’s already a thing for the most part. You can walk into any gun/pawn shop and sell your gun there and they’ll be happy to take it off your hands AND pay 5x more than a gun buyback program from the state.
Removal of any and all “gun shop loopholes”
That was never a thing. The “loop hole” was selling private party since no individual person has access to the NICS.
The reason you’re going to get more for a gun at a pawn shop or gun shop is because they’re going to resell them. The idea with a government initiative would be to decommission the guns.
It’s my understanding that the term “gun show loophole” is used is because it was/is a common enough practice to meet at gun shows and sell as private sellers, thus bypassing the requirements for bg checks.
I also realized now that I typed gun shop instead of gun show, so sorry if that caused confusion, I’m going to blame autocorrect.
The reason you’re going to get more for a gun at a pawn shop or gun shop is because they’re going to resell them. The idea with a government initiative would be to decommission the guns.
Now you had all of that energy and resource that went into making the gun + the energy required to destroy it vs letting someone who actually wants it, and it mentally OK using. And what if it’s a historically significant firearm? Trying to destroy guns is not going to get firearms owners on your side.
Opening up NICS so the average Joe selling private party can double check the person they’re buying it from would be a huge step forward. That’s a win win for both sides.
That’s a viable start, and both of your suggestions I am in favor of, but it will not remove the millions of firearms that are already in the hands of 1/3 of the U.S. population. It would also not prevent someone from 3D printing a ghost gun. Considering that some gun owners are also handloading / reloading their own ammo at home, you would effectively need to ban the sale of all smokeless powder as well. However, even in doing that, it would not take back the millions and millions of rounds that people already have.
Right. And these are all valid concerns, but they exist everywhere. The end of the day, you’ll actually never remove firearms from the equation, and I’d argue you really shouldn’t. The idea is to limit the access to either people who are damned and determined (3d printers, home gunsmiths and reloaders, etc) and those who are somewhat qualified.
The path on how to start is clear enough. Voluntarily surrendering weapons, followed by mandatory, decades later we’ll see results. But I don’t think you’re the type to participate in gun control discussions in good faith.
I have? It’s literally an FDA thing, not something generally enforced by border patrol or regular cops. Customs might stop you if you declare it but frankly I doubt it. They’re more likely to stop you if they think it’s a real egg.
Again, the point is we’re not even there yet. We can theory craft all we want, and you can poke imaginary holes in every measure taken. And in the end, you will still reach the conclusion of “if it’s not perfect, why try?” and nothing will change.
So, why bother? No matter what solutions someone brings to the table, you will not be satisfied.
I’ve yet to see a solution come to the table. That’s my point. There certainly are plenty of people making claims that it needs to be done, but no one to provide the “how.”
Draw a line in the sand for weapon varieties. For me, that’s semi auto. Allow shotguns, bolt action rifles, etc for practical use and self defense. But any line will be hotly debated.
Ban sales of new ones. Give X years for voluntary surrender of existing ones.
After voluntary window expires, send authorities after registered ones, or just send fines for a while.
Any crime after mandatory kicks in gets multiplied if an illegal gun was in proximity.
Then, time.
Happy? It’s pretty simple to get started. Then iterate when actual problems manifest.
Fines, court dates and warrants do not take firearms out of the hands of people that would rather die than give them up. You’d eventually need SWAT tasks force level initiatives to go and kill resistors eventually; I find that highly unethical.
Yet you have provided no possible options as to take action. Nice work on the reply. 👍
To provide actual discussion:
Increase rigor for screening on all firearm purchases
Removal of any and all “gun shop loopholes”
Voluntary, no questions asked, buybacks on any firearm
Two of these make it harder for new guns to enter the equation, while not making it impossible for a reasonable adult to get one, and the final drastically lowers the number of guns in circulation.
That’s already a thing for the most part. You can walk into any gun/pawn shop and sell your gun there and they’ll be happy to take it off your hands AND pay 5x more than a gun buyback program from the state.
That was never a thing. The “loop hole” was selling private party since no individual person has access to the NICS.
The reason you’re going to get more for a gun at a pawn shop or gun shop is because they’re going to resell them. The idea with a government initiative would be to decommission the guns.
It’s my understanding that the term “gun show loophole” is used is because it was/is a common enough practice to meet at gun shows and sell as private sellers, thus bypassing the requirements for bg checks.
I also realized now that I typed gun shop instead of gun show, so sorry if that caused confusion, I’m going to blame autocorrect.
Now you had all of that energy and resource that went into making the gun + the energy required to destroy it vs letting someone who actually wants it, and it mentally OK using. And what if it’s a historically significant firearm? Trying to destroy guns is not going to get firearms owners on your side.
Opening up NICS so the average Joe selling private party can double check the person they’re buying it from would be a huge step forward. That’s a win win for both sides.
Worked just fine in Australia.
https://www.vox.com/2015/8/27/9212725/australia-buyback
I don’t think Australia ever had “the right to bear arms” which is why that won’t fly well.
Plus Australia is an island. It’s a lot easier for that to work when your nearest neighbor is 100 miles away by boat
Should have stopped there. Better to have someone think you a fool than open your mouth and remove all doubt.
Ok, Australia ever had “the right to bear arms” which is why that won’t fly well.
Is that better for mr condescending? Do you have an actual response or are you just interesting in insults?
That’s a viable start, and both of your suggestions I am in favor of, but it will not remove the millions of firearms that are already in the hands of 1/3 of the U.S. population. It would also not prevent someone from 3D printing a ghost gun. Considering that some gun owners are also handloading / reloading their own ammo at home, you would effectively need to ban the sale of all smokeless powder as well. However, even in doing that, it would not take back the millions and millions of rounds that people already have.
It’s not perfect therefore we shouldn’t do anything
Right. And these are all valid concerns, but they exist everywhere. The end of the day, you’ll actually never remove firearms from the equation, and I’d argue you really shouldn’t. The idea is to limit the access to either people who are damned and determined (3d printers, home gunsmiths and reloaders, etc) and those who are somewhat qualified.
Agreed.
Douche.
The answer was clearly “Try”
We haven’t even done that yet.
The path on how to start is clear enough. Voluntarily surrendering weapons, followed by mandatory, decades later we’ll see results. But I don’t think you’re the type to participate in gun control discussions in good faith.
The fact that real kinder eggs are illegal because of safety concerns and guns are not is mindblowing.
It is easier to get a gun in the states than it is to get a kinder egg with a little toy in it.
That’s an absolute lie. I can buy a kinder egg no questions asked online. You can’t sell them as food with plastic pieces inside them, though.
In most US states you have a huge amount of regulation on guns you need to be familiar with and of course it’s different state by state.
Try to cross the border into the states with a real kinder egg and then we can talk about where the lies are.
I have? It’s literally an FDA thing, not something generally enforced by border patrol or regular cops. Customs might stop you if you declare it but frankly I doubt it. They’re more likely to stop you if they think it’s a real egg.
How out of touch can you be?
You are the one fighting over kinder eggs dude.
Btw I’ve gone across the border and had them taken away so… Yea
Anyhow you are pointless.
You are the one making dumb ass claims about kinder eggs, not me. Look in the mirror and out the window once in a while
You are still ranting about kinder eggs??
Yikes.
You know bettterhelp.com is less expensive than you might think…
Try how? Go on, what can I do right now today to start fixing the problem? See if you can answer without an insult.
Read further down the thread.
Nah.
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Again, the point is we’re not even there yet. We can theory craft all we want, and you can poke imaginary holes in every measure taken. And in the end, you will still reach the conclusion of “if it’s not perfect, why try?” and nothing will change.
So, why bother? No matter what solutions someone brings to the table, you will not be satisfied.
I’ve yet to see a solution come to the table. That’s my point. There certainly are plenty of people making claims that it needs to be done, but no one to provide the “how.”
Draw a line in the sand for weapon varieties. For me, that’s semi auto. Allow shotguns, bolt action rifles, etc for practical use and self defense. But any line will be hotly debated.
Ban sales of new ones. Give X years for voluntary surrender of existing ones.
After voluntary window expires, send authorities after registered ones, or just send fines for a while.
Any crime after mandatory kicks in gets multiplied if an illegal gun was in proximity.
Then, time.
Happy? It’s pretty simple to get started. Then iterate when actual problems manifest.
This part doesn’t work with your “solution.” Do you expect the police to enter people’s homes and take their guns?
Iterative. Fines, court dates, warrants when it comes down to it. Sentencing enhancements for crimes.
I wouldn’t send authorities into homes, no.
Fines, court dates and warrants do not take firearms out of the hands of people that would rather die than give them up. You’d eventually need SWAT tasks force level initiatives to go and kill resistors eventually; I find that highly unethical.
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