• sugarfree@lemmy.world
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    Make no mistake, this is the result of the frenzy being whipped up by politicians all around the world. Those who call for a “ceasefire” after a terror attack and hostage taking and those who suggest blame lies with both sides are radicalizing people.

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        Mass murder and genocide is what occurred on October 7th, so no Hamas is not the good side.

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          Mass murder and genocide is what occurred on October 7th

          And 8th october, 9th october, 10th, 11th, 12th, 13th 14th, 15th, 16th, 17th, 18th, 19th, 20th, 21st, 22nd, 23rd, 24th, 25th, 26th, 27th, 28th, and 29th. It’s kinda funny you talk about how the world’s opinion radicalised people, but continue on to be genocide denial like some sort of r/lakelaogai fugitive.

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      Really? Antisemitism just sprung out of nowhere a couple weeks ago? And Israel hasn’t killed thousands of Palestinians for decades? What does the initial attack have to do with the ceasefire now? After 9/11, the US didn’t just carpet bomb the entire country of Afghanistan. Israel is engaging in collective punishment, killing nearly 8000 people already. Gaza is small and dense, there is no where for the people to leave. Calling for a ceasefire is the only humane thing to do.

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        What Israel is doing is abhorrent and should be roundly condemned. That does not justify antisemitism. Jews are not all Israelis and Israelis are not all Jews.

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          Of course, I just have seen for many years the criticism of Israel shut down quickly by claiming someone was antisemitic. The message this post was about, talking about ‘Jews’ is clearly antisemitic, I didn’t mean to imply it was cool or that antisemitism wasn’t prevalent. What I was trying to critique was the OP’s idea that the calling for a humanitarian ceasefire was inspiring further radicalization and antisemitism, which is ridiculous.

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        Israel isn’t carpet bombing anywhere, I don’t know what false information you’re consuming but the reality is that Israel performs specific, highly targeted strikes in Gaza. Unfortunately civilians die in war, that’s a sad part of every conflict. Israel has given instructions to prevent Palestinian civilians from being caught up in their strikes, and Israel actually cares more about Palestinian civilians than Hamas. Hamas wouldn’t use civilians as human shields and operate out of hospitals and schools if they cared about civilian casualties.

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      Leftists are calling for a ceasefire, yeah. Feel radicalized? That means you moved to the ‘radical left’. ‘Extremists’ are the far right, and they mostly want Israel to do more genocide, yeah.

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        I certainly don’t want Israel to “do more genocide”, I want Israel to stop Hamas once and for all so that October 7th can never happen again. A ceasefire means Hamas will strengthen their positions and rearm for future attacks. The time to strike is now.

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          Let me know how extermination of a radical ideology by force goes. In the meantime I’m gonna double check who controls Afghanistan.

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          Frankly I’m a bit disappointed in Israel’s ability to fight a war without the frequent use of war crimes. Fighting hamas has displaced a million people, killed thousands of civilians, seen power and water shut off to the area, including to hospitals. Israel keeps releasing more justifications. I just saw Netanyahu go over a 3D rendering of a hospital explaining why bombing hospitals might be necessary because Hamas has tunneled underneath them 😮‍💨 which… Maybe? But there’s a better chance this is a pre-justification for more horrifyingly irresponsible war-planning.

          And I believe there are diplomatic ways to remove Hamas from power. An engagement with the rights Palestinians desire would see them less desperate and less willing to support Hamas - 70% of Palestinians are unsupportive of Hamas’ attack, and 80% of Israelis are unhappy with Netanyahu’s response.