• Eldritch@lemmy.world
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    Pointing out racial disparities is not racism. No matter how much you perform your outrage. Saying that only white people are fit to really be CEOs would be racist. Pointing out that oddly most CEOs are white is not racist. Oh and by the way just to scare you with a boogeyman, CRT!

    Oh and you literally said that if a CEO put morals over profits that they would be a bad CEO and replaced. Basically implying that morals are incompatible with capitalism.

    By the way I am anti-capitalism in large scope. And I’m also against whiny little concern trolls.

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      Pointing out racial disparities is not racism.

      Depends on the context. Just like the “jewish-controlled media” (when talking about e.g. the new yorker) would have an implication, the “white-controlled media” has an implication, too.

      This information can be presented independently, but you have to wonder why this disconnceted information is brought in multiple times in just the opening of the article.

      a boogeyman, CRT!

      I’m not American. Private slave ownership never existed in my country. (The term “race” when referring to a group of humans, however, is very ill-regarded.)

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        So-called ‘reverse racism’ (ie just normal racism) has become shockingly acceptable in online discourse. To me, it’s just absurd how the same people who’d be outraged at black stereotypes will turn around and say ‘lol white girls fuck dogs’.

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          Kiddo I am a white male. Take your reverse racism and shove it. I can be racist against myself if I want to. And yet you still cannot explain the disparity in much of American society without pointing to the factual and enduring racism and racial bias that exists in it to this day.

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              And that’s irrelevant. Racism is racism no matter who does it, and defending racism is still defending racism.

              Racism is racism yes. But what you’re pointing out isn’t racism. You are accusing him of racism for pointing out the long-term impacts of The United States long and continuing history of racism. That is a completely different thing. And it is pretty disingenuous of you to imply otherwise. Further if he is part of the group you’re accusing her of being bigoted against. That is a pretty silly thing to imply. And I have to say you are in wrong here.

              Why don’t you first explain what white people specifically have to do with the media chasing ratings. Would black-controlled media not chase ratings just as aggressively? Are non-white people more moral on average?

              He already did. Things like slavery, segregation, redlining, and discrimination much of which does still get seen today. Explains it handily.

              And then why did you go on to throw up all those strawmen? None of that was anything he ever implied accused or even addressed. It simply doesn’t have anything to do with the discussion. Those are all non sequiter.

              Perhaps you should answer your own question. Why is it that white males are so overrepresented in such positions. I think that’s the much more pertinent and interesting question to ask. And you have not answered that.

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                Racism is racism yes. But what you’re pointing out isn’t racism. You are accusing him of racism for pointing out the long-term impacts of The United States long and continuing history of racism. That is a completely different thing. And it is pretty disingenuous of you to imply otherwise. Further if he is part of the group you’re accusing her of being bigoted against. That is a pretty silly thing to imply. And I have to say you are in wrong here.

                As the other guy said, replace literally any other race with ‘white’ in it and it suddenly sounds extremely racist; especially if you include any other stereotype in there, like saying ‘(insert race) run media is responsible for (insert negative race stereotype here)’. That was the original point, which is that the way this line was written comes across as racist.

                Also, idk who died and made that guy the representative of ‘all white people’ but I think you’d agree that a black guy defending racism against his own race would still be called a racist, or at least an enabler. The African-American community even has a specific term for it.

                He already did. Things like slavery, segregation, redlining, and discrimination much of which does still get seen today. Explains it handily.

                Saying it’s explained by ‘lul whites’ is nothing more than racism itself; especially when you continue to blame white people today for ‘enabling fascism’, especially when said ‘white people’ are liberals.

                And then why did you go on to throw up all those strawmen? None of that was anything he ever implied accused or even addressed. It simply doesn’t have anything to do with the discussion. Those are all non sequiter.

                What strawmen? I simply pointed out that the article pointing fingers at ‘white run media’ gives this an unnecessary race angle, and that if you don’t deny it, there’s at least an implicit understanding that media run by people of any other color would be dissimilar, in their view.

                Perhaps you should answer your own question. Why is it that white males are so overrepresented in such positions. I think that’s the much more pertinent and interesting question to ask. And you have not answered that.

                That’s not a question I asked. I’m well aware of what you’re trying to shift the narrative towards, and I’m not having it. Stop blaming ‘institutionalized racism’ for everything, including the ills of capitalism.

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                  It’s not even remotely racist. One cannot be racist by simply pointing out an actual verifiable fact. Beyond a lion’s share of CEOs and owners are disproportionately white. Especially when it comes to media companies. And that isn’t a racist thing to say that simply an observation. To say that only white people should be CEOs would be raised. You are grasping at straws. Basically seeking and excuse to be outraged. Would it be racist for me to say that most slaves in America were and still are black? Because it’s a verifiable fact. Not all were but most were and still are.

                  I agree you never actually ask the question. Though if you were ever to be honest you would have asked it of yourself. But you aren’t being honest. You are just going around the screaming racism at facts you don’t like. Quite childish.

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                    lol funny that you (and others) keep making the same ‘but it’s just stating facts!!!’ argument rather than actually addressing the core of the discussion, which is that (insert race)-controlled (insert institution) is encouraging/helping spread (insert stereotype)!!!’ would be considered racist by anyone if used for any other race.

                    Go ahead, tell me that swapping around communities and institutions wouldn’t make it sound like some extremely common rhetoric that you’ve obviously heard elsewhere.

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              Just a privilege little white kid talking about shit he doesn’t know. The fact that you’re white does not make it any better calling out another white person claiming reverse racism. A thing that doesn’t exist. It just drives home the point that you have no idea what you’re talking about. You know what’s worse than racism. Pretending it and its effects do not exist.

              And I should not have to explain well-known American history to you. Has school failed you that badly. That you learned nothing about slavery segregation or the ongoing racial divide that still exists to this day. Effects that extend into all ownership not just the media. Or are you just another foreigner trying to tell someone who’s experienced and lived through all this that what they feel what they’ve seen what they know is wrong. I don’t take kindly to gas lighters.

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                Holy shit, can’t believe you wrote a whole essay and still failed to address any of my points in any meaningful way. I’m not sure if your reading comprehension is just that dogshit, or your prefrontal cortex is so horrendously atrophied that your response to any evil in the world is ‘lol white people amirite’ and then immediately resorting to insinuations of race and privilege if someone challenges your narrow worldview.

                Whatever, feel free to wallow in your self-hatred and guilt for the rest of eternity. Frankly, I don’t give a rat’s ass, at least not enough to continue engaging with you. Enjoy being blocked.

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              And that’s irrelevant. Racism is racism no matter who does it, and defending racism is still defending racism.

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        I see. So you’re trying to misrepresent, and worse gaslight someone else about something you have no personal experience with and no very little about. Good to know.

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          What do I have no personal experience with? Slavery? Or Americans? Or white-controlled media? Or racism?

          What personal experience would you say I’d need so I could make the claim that “the jewish-controlled media is trying to sway people away from democracy” is a problematic statement?

          (By the way good job moving away from the topic and moving to baseless attacks against me.)