• SpaceCowboy@lemmy.ca
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    2 days ago

    Drones don’t hold ground, soldiers do. Soldiers that have tanks are going to be more effective than those without them.

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        2 days ago

        Have you seen a photo of what tanks in combat look like these days? They have cages welded on top of them. Also the hatches can be closed. A lot of tankers like to have the hatch open so the commander can have have more visibility, but it’s not a necessity.

        There have been ways to take out a tank with missiles for a long time now. The reason why they’re still used is that air defenses exist and nothing beats the cost efficiency of moving a big gun close to the enemy and firing a lot of cheap ammunition at them.

        Also are you going to tell civilians they can move back into their towns based solely on drones? If the civilians are behind a bunch of tanks, they’re safe because the drones will go after the tanks before going after the civilians. You need soldiers to hold ground. A soldier in a tank is going to be harder for a drone to kill than a soldier that’s not in a tank.

        Yes drones are effective, but drones can’t hold ground and keep civilians safe.

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          2 days ago

          For the price of one tank with cope cages you could buy thousands of drones instead. Tanks are not cost effective anymore. They’re the land equivalent of battleships in an era of aircraft carriers.

          The land equivalent of an aircraft carrier is a soldier with a couple of drones in a backpack.

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            6 hours ago

            I think what people like you are starting to learn is that both are necessary.

            A lot about fighting a war is variety. Tanks have their uses, and so do drones.

            Trying to argue one can replace the other is stupid and rational adults should not take you seriously as a result.

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              They don’t replace each other. Aircraft carriers didn’t replace battleships. It simply made battleships non-viable without a replacement.

              What it led to was smaller ships such as corvettes, destroyers, and cruisers taking over the role of battleships but still never replacing them in raw firepower.

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            2 days ago

            The problem is still getting people from one place to the other

            Even with drones taking out tanks, people would rather be in a vehicle than walk

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              2 days ago

              That’s what APCs and lighter infantry vehicles are for. They’re not going away. It’s main battle tanks (the ones that cost millions of dollars) that are going away.

              Moving troops around in safety is going to be extremely challenging but that’s because of enemy drones, not enemy tanks. Drones can fly recon around a moving personnel carrier just as easily as planes fly recon around an aircraft carrier.

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                14 hours ago

                I haven’t seen a single high ranking general or military strategist that suggests MBTs are going away. It’s just badly informed people on the internet that watched a couple of YT drone clips and think they’ve mastered the art of warfare.

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                  6 hours ago

                  It’s just badly informed people on the internet that watched a couple of YT drone clips and think they’ve mastered the art of warfare.

                  Describes these forums perfectly.

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      2 days ago

      Yeah dead soldiers inside of tank that got 1 shot by a micro drone with a grenade the moment they opened their hatch don’t hold ground either.

      Also, if you’ve seen them in Gaza they are next to useless in rubble that heavy with dudes popping out of tunnels that disable them without ever being seen.

      Historically even, tanks are awful against gorilla fighters. Which is what a lot Ukraine combat has become. Them not using tanks is not surprising.