Beautiful point, but even the PLA had help from USSR.
We continue to plead, Xi.
But there was a PLA to begin with, ya’ll need to step up first.
okay but having read how bad each egg that cracked from the inside had to get beforehand it really seems like there should be a better way
The Chinese are too hopeful about Amerika, they need to learn about settler-colonialism
If anything I fully expect us to pull a Germany in 1914 and go to war to destroy China before they can fully overcome us and we start a world war.
That’s been absolutely painful for me when interacting with them. They have thousands of years of history on their own land. They never felt the existential threat that we have. It makes it hard to explain to them that I would consider it impossible to ally with the people who champion our ongoing genocide, and I would really struggle with a resolution that didn’t involve the dissolution of the colonial states.
It shows one big thing from which everything else flowers is that in a socialist state, much like in a liberal state, you can’t expect everyone to be political and follow the dominant ideology. XHS is apparently known to be mostly urban wealthier youth (I don’t want to say rich but let’s say a bit above median wage maybe).
They still have to read Fanon even with all the Chinese authors they have. And we have to read Chinese authors even with all the Marx and Fanon that we have.
But we can’t expect everyone to be a cadre and well-versed in everything. Actually, I would trust the CPC cadres to know about this kind of stuff. I believe this because China demonstrates time and time again that they don’t have the answers for everyone, but trust in the people to have their own answers. This is why their foreign policy is so hands off. They don’t dictate terms or give unsolicited advice, because they don’t believe that they have a one-size-fits-all answer. Maybe they do have the answers! Maybe they could totally say “oh you should do this” and it works out great. But they can’t be sure that they do.
It reminds us not to put people on a pedestal and treat them as, well, people. But we still share the common language of Marxism.
I’ve seen XHS users use “no investigation, no right to speak” on themselves to explain that while they have ideas, they don’t have a full understanding of the complexities and nuances we face. The fact that we’ve had this cultural exchange gives me how that there may be support in the future but now is the wrong time IMHO: The government is already wanting to start hostilities and that works be playing into their hands.
most of the messaging (both public relations/speaking trained and randos online) I have seen from Chinese people of various classes (including bourgeois class* like iirc Eric Li who is openly a venture capitalist) has been consistently: China’s model works for China, do not blindly copy China’s policies. Their current path is Socialism with Chinese Characteristics, emphasis “chinese characteristics” which is not to be taken lightly.
*on this note I must emphasize that the national, political project of the PRC is collaboration of social classes with CPC at the leadership helm - don’t just believe me, look up what the stars on their flag represent, look up the Chinese constitution. This has been rocky at times, and shifts like Deng’s reform of course have been unhappy for certain groups. But in hindsight, choosing uneven (urban first,etc) but controlled acceleration in development, through but not around capitalist mode of production, has borne progress towards the goal of building socialism in the country. Anyway IMO Eric Li is an excellent speaker, very knowledgeable and I appreciate his economic analysis. I haven’t heard him go off in overt communist talk, though frequently presents CPC as good at making correct decisions, particularly in regards to being able to decide and plan in longer-term view instead of shortterm etc. His talking points are basically 0% theory and 100% talking about material events and going off of that for analysis. I think he presents himself this way (doesnt talk big communism, introduces himself as a venture capitalist) to prevent scaring off westerners, and encourage them to look into why China’s system works.
can’t make an omelette without violently shaking and destabilizing the social fabric of the egg first
The egg is spoiled 😭
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Reptile breeders sometimes very carefully puncture the eggs with a small blade to allow more to hatch successfully.
yeah, and ants will tear open eggs that are struggling to hatch
Amazing idiom
Eggs also have to be laid and many have to be protected and nurtured. An egg hatching alone is just a meal for a predator.
The boot of the fascists is coming down before anyone even has a chance to form any real movement. This is no different than boomers telling kids to “pull themselves up by their bootstraps” or saying to refugees " they should just fight to make their own country better."
It’s easy to write a fun little proverb and tell people, with no community, no coordination, with any attempt at coordinating an invitation to get murdered by fascists, to “just do a revolution.” With what? With who? Most communists in the US are on in a single city while surrounded with psychopaths that literally fantasize about torturing communists to death.
The core argument that you can’t impose communism from outside is solid. The drive ultimately has to come from within, but I completely agree that nascent movements do need support to flourish.
It’s easy to write a fun little proverb and tell people, with no community, no coordination, with any attempt at coordinating an invitation to get murdered by fascists, to “just do a revolution.”
Well it’s even harder for another country to try overthrow the US so I don’t see how China can save Americans from America itself.
When the fox is in the henhouse, the new life is only a meal that knew for a brief moment the experience of life before it was violently ripped away.
Also, read Lenin, there’s a reason the fascists are still consolidating power in Germany, Europe and US to this day. The crack came from within and the new life was a terror on the world
If a pigeon is keeping the egg warm and there is a crack from the inside, he/she will also start to crack the egg from the outside to help the little squab.
That should be the exact strategy, let the movement build internally and support it once it establishes itself legitimately.
“let the movement build internally” A more appropriate description in using the egg scenario is, “the pigeons were eaten by a fox a long time ago and the eggs are left to rot or get eaten by rats.” lol.
As it is, we can’t nurture ourselves when there’s nothing to guide us. There’s a bunch of rats sitting at the top of this nest and the second one of those " eggs" so much as shakes it’s over.
The literal best we can hope for is just to survive long enough for the US to balkanize and/or get destabilized/destroyed by outside forces.
I wouldn’t be so pessimistic, the scenario in the US today isn’t fundamentally different from other eras. If class consciousness could take root in tsarist Russia, there’s no reason why it can’t happen in the current environment in the US. There is also a history of a strong labor movement that organized during the great depression, and it wasn’t even that long ago. The material conditions will be the driver for a movement forming the same way they always do. I also think it’s worth looking at MAS in Bolivia as a great recent example of this happening.
I don’t mind being eaten out tho
