same order of magnitude as the Tulsa Race Massacre?
I’m guessing you missed the fact that events like Tulsa happen every year? The US is already sending immigration agents to stalk and harass migrants, intimidate and harass activists protesting against the Israeli genocide of Gaza, and defund and continually threaten gender, racial and sexual minorities (abortion, trans healthcare, hours worth of cases of well documented police brutality and unhoused people). Or maybe that the US is the 8th wonder of the world where school shootings are normalized, or having the largest prison population where the bulk of it is non-violent drug offenders.
Tulsa is just one event, the US has committed so many atrocities over several lifetimes. This single day during a time of great national political strife is somehow comparable? You think you’re being so helpful but all you’re doing is just spreading more misery for the sake of making yourself feel better.
I wouldn’t be surprised if a bunch of real videos exist, in which case it would be really easy to condemn them as gross evil western propaganda. It’s easy to condemn Zionist propoganda as gross and evil.
You know, because I’m not in a weird cult that makes me defend mass murder of civilians.
Let us look at a specific example. A claim like “There’s cultural genocide of Uyghurs in Xinjiang” is simply unreal to most Westerners, close to pure gibberish. The words really refer to existing entities and geographies, but Westerners aren’t familiar with them. The actual content of the utterance as it spills out is no more complex or nuanced than “China Bad,” and the elementary mistakes people make when they write out statements of “solidarity” make that much clear. This is not a complaint that these people have not studied China enough — there’s no reason to expect them to study China, and retrospectively I think to some extent it was a mistake to personally have spent so much time trying to teach them. It’s instead an acknowledgment that they are eagerly wielding the accusation like a club, that they are in reality unconcerned with its truth-content, because it serves a social purpose.
What is this social purpose? Westerners want to believe that other places are worse off, exactly how Americans and Canadians perennially flatter themselves by attacking each others’ decaying health-care systems, or how a divorcee might fantasize that their ex-lover’s blooming love-life is secretly miserable. This kind of “crab mentality” is actually a sophisticated coping mechanism suitable for an environment in which no other course of action seems viable.
Which part of that is relevant to the conversation so far?
To make one criticism of one event isn’t to say that “China bad”. That’s really black and white thinking, and comes off incredibly insecure.
Not dodging any cult accusations when you would rather take the conversation in a dozen different directions than just admit, “yeah, killing a couple hundred civilians is a massacre”.
That’s not the issue. The issue is that it’s impossible to even have a nuanced and honest conversation about it because any hint about it gets automatically removed.
Yes, if I post something false and harmful, like Haitian immigrants eat dogs, then my post should be removed. That’s what you sound like to normal Chinese people and Chinese people who use social media don’t want to babysit you. You refuse to learn when given the chance because you love the sense of power you get, like a flat earther or anti-vaccine nut who thinks they’re hot shit because they think they know something that nobody else knows. It’s sad and pathetic.
Haitian immigrants eat dogs
You see if I did that in the US, I would be called president, so I guess we know who’s truly free.
What nuance do you want for an event that didn’t occur? Yeah let’s have a nuanced discussion about Saddam’s WMD now we’re at it.
Also you can have a discussion about it in china and just with chinese people in general. Just not with a chatbot or as some inflammatory forum post. Which, frankly, is ideal, considering what doing fuck-all about disinformation has brought us in the west.
What do you mean it didn’t occur? Something obviously happened, and it’s only a question of whether my government’s version of the events is true.
My entire RedNote feed Americans whether it’s true that George Orwell books are banned in China (they’re not), and Chinese asking whether it’s true that American schools have shooter drills. Of course I’d like to ask them about the first thing most Americans think of when they hear the word “China.” Unfortunately, I can’t, and I’m stuck with only one version of the events (and I’m not going to rely on Western Hexbear users to get the other version).
(and I’m not going to rely on Western Hexbear users to get the other version).
I’m glad history to you is finding the right person to confirm your already held beliefs. I think the word for that starts with an “r” and ends with “-acism.”
most Americans think of when they hear the word “China.”
Do not question this at all of course. There is no propaganda in America. We all are free-thinkers.
The Tiananmen Square Massacre Never Happened
His proof that there wasn’t a massacre is that the death toll reported by the mayor is only on the same order of magnitude as the Tulsa Race Massacre?
For someone so adamant on criticizing propaganda the call is really coming from inside the house.
I’m guessing you missed the fact that events like Tulsa happen every year? The US is already sending immigration agents to stalk and harass migrants, intimidate and harass activists protesting against the Israeli genocide of Gaza, and defund and continually threaten gender, racial and sexual minorities (abortion, trans healthcare, hours worth of cases of well documented police brutality and unhoused people). Or maybe that the US is the 8th wonder of the world where school shootings are normalized, or having the largest prison population where the bulk of it is non-violent drug offenders.
Tulsa is just one event, the US has committed so many atrocities over several lifetimes. This single day during a time of great national political strife is somehow comparable? You think you’re being so helpful but all you’re doing is just spreading more misery for the sake of making yourself feel better.
Yes the US has committed numerous atrocious, massacres, and genocides.
You know what I wouldn’t do? Make a YouTube video playing defense for the US government saying that any of those aren’t exactly what they are.
Actually there’s a video like that right here
I wouldn’t be surprised if a bunch of real videos exist, in which case it would be really easy to condemn them as gross evil western propaganda. It’s easy to condemn Zionist propoganda as gross and evil.
You know, because I’m not in a weird cult that makes me defend mass murder of civilians.
https://redsails.org/masses-elites-and-rebels/
You don’t care, you have never cared. You can change but I doubt you will.
Which part of that is relevant to the conversation so far?
To make one criticism of one event isn’t to say that “China bad”. That’s really black and white thinking, and comes off incredibly insecure.
Not dodging any cult accusations when you would rather take the conversation in a dozen different directions than just admit, “yeah, killing a couple hundred civilians is a massacre”.
That’s not the issue. The issue is that it’s impossible to even have a nuanced and honest conversation about it because any hint about it gets automatically removed.
Yes, if I post something false and harmful, like Haitian immigrants eat dogs, then my post should be removed. That’s what you sound like to normal Chinese people and Chinese people who use social media don’t want to babysit you. You refuse to learn when given the chance because you love the sense of power you get, like a flat earther or anti-vaccine nut who thinks they’re hot shit because they think they know something that nobody else knows. It’s sad and pathetic.
You see if I did that in the US, I would be called president, so I guess we know who’s truly free.
What nuance do you want for an event that didn’t occur? Yeah let’s have a nuanced discussion about Saddam’s WMD now we’re at it.
Also you can have a discussion about it in china and just with chinese people in general. Just not with a chatbot or as some inflammatory forum post. Which, frankly, is ideal, considering what doing fuck-all about disinformation has brought us in the west.
What do you mean it didn’t occur? Something obviously happened, and it’s only a question of whether my government’s version of the events is true.
My entire RedNote feed Americans whether it’s true that George Orwell books are banned in China (they’re not), and Chinese asking whether it’s true that American schools have shooter drills. Of course I’d like to ask them about the first thing most Americans think of when they hear the word “China.” Unfortunately, I can’t, and I’m stuck with only one version of the events (and I’m not going to rely on Western Hexbear users to get the other version).
I’m glad history to you is finding the right person to confirm your already held beliefs. I think the word for that starts with an “r” and ends with “-acism.”
Do not question this at all of course. There is no propaganda in America. We all are free-thinkers.
That’s easy, it never is.
I’m responding to you responding to a person giving you a link explaining that very position.
Sorry, but I want to hear it from a real Chinese communist, not a western YouTuber. Find me a BiliBili (or Douyin or Rednote) video on the topic.
Why are the linked video’s sources not applicable? Are they too scary for you?
Silence, white westerner. I only want to hear takes from Real Chinese Communists.
sorry, they’re too busy governing China to care.
Like you do know the ruling party of China is communist right?
That sounds like a you problem, do something about it yourself.
I tried. I couldn’t find anything.
Damn, who could have guessed your arbitrary debatelord requirements would make it so difficult? Learn mandarin ig