Can we stop with all this bullshit? Im not even and American and i cant stand the cry anymore. People voted, its democracy, it is what it is, get over it
Not anymore it isnt
It must be easy for the Dems to blame the voters and call them XYZ because it affords them the opportunity of not having to change. If the voters are the problem then you don’t have to do anything different and continue down the same path.
I’m sorry but if you look at Trump and think ‘okay, I will give him my vote.’ then you are a dick bag and deserve to be treated as such.
What the Dems do or don’t do is irrelevant.
Maybe during the next election they can run ads calling Trump supporters dick bags. I’m sure that will help them win.
Again, I don’t give a crap what the DNC does or not.
If you vote for Trump you’re a proper dickbag. Simple as.
Meaning that if they are ever held accountable, they will say they never voted for Trump and burn anything that could ever indicate so.
Cope and seethe.
Cool, none of them care. They’re all gloating. You can judge people all you want, but they won’t do what you want if they have real power over you. You want to make them care? Get power.
In the course of history, what do we know of those who “judged” the people who won? We don’t know much, nor do we care. How about we focus on winning, then it will matter who we judge.
Trump voters won’t care about any of that shit until it impacts them personally. My family is moving from Indiana to Maryland because of this election which is really going to obliterate grandparents’ time around our kids. Sucks for them we refuse to stay in a state that would actively destroy our kids’ education and wellbeing. They can shell out whatever massively inflated airfare it’ll cost them to come visit us in a place we can actually feel safe.
Maryland is wonderful… you’ll love it. I’m working on getting out of the South and back up north to the mid Atlantic
Wait until you’re the grandparent and see how it’s different then, and how would you’d think then
Maybe the grandparents shouldn’t vote to directly harm their own grandchildren, and actively destroy their futures. Just a thought.
Yes the warped perscrptive informed from 50 years ago, when you had no choice but to trust the TV and newspapers, not like the world has changed since then.
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Sounds like gramma and grampa voted Trump, so maybe next time they’ll make better choices. It’s too late, of course, but that’s the bed they made.
If you voted for Harris I blame you for overlooking a fucking genocide.
After all, trump supporters are “overlooking fascism” to punish the biden admin for the gaslighting over inflation.
The whole genocide thing is funny because Trump won’t do anything about it either.
The people who chose not to vote for Harris because of it are even bigger idiots than people who voted for Trump.
This level of ignorance and spite is obscene and absolutely terrifying. This person is basically willing to let the whole world burn in the name of preventing a genocide that obviously won’t be prevented but made even worse when the world starts burning. Out of spite.
Absolutely terrifying.
Trump is going to make things even worse for Palestine and Ukraine is absolutely fucked under Trump, and it’s your fucking fault for helping hand him the presidency. Think before you spew such ignorant bullshit next time.
Is Trump planning on helping Palestinians? It always seemed a strange argument to me to use against the Democrats since I’m pretty sure the right would have done the exact same in regards to Israel. Please prove me wrong, I’d love to see a silver lining to this situation.
There fucking isn’t one, and there might never be again.
Trump probably has more allegiance to Putin than he does to Netanyahu’s money, which might mean forcing it to compromise on a compromise. But frankly, I’ve always seen US support of Israel as a means to drive out Russian influence in Israel, whose cooperation has increased the last few decades before becoming clouded with the latest conflict. The conflict with Iran and its proxies might stop, but Palestinians are still getting genocided, if anything with more of a focus.
Are biden/Harris planning on helping the Palestinians when they continue to fund and arm israel in the genocide?
They’re the same.
Exactly! So we agree it shouldn’t be an argument for or against any side, right?
I voted third party, the two parties are materially indifferent when it comes to their support of the working class or their bloodlust for war and supporting genocide.
I don’t give a fuck that trumps gonna be president and I’m a visibly queer woman who’s been perceived and attacked for being “trans” under the Obama admin in a liberal state. I’ve been viciously assaulted for being visibly queer since I was a child in the 90s. The majority of these people don’t scare me. The only ones who actually scare me are the Christian nationalists who wanna turn this country into Christian Iran and the democrats haven’t done a single fucking thing in my entire life to stop them.
I hope you don’t come to regret this, I really do. I’m not from the US but I’m afraid of the consequences this election will have on the whole world.
You’re a traitor.
Glad voting third party accomplished so much. Now we have Trump in office. So much better than Harris! Now the U.S.A definitely won’t turn into a Christian Iran, as you put it. /s
Would love it if third parties were viable, but we have a First Past the Post system, so unless that changes or we implement a tiered voting system starting at local governments and expanding out to a national level, a third party candidate will never be president.
And what have the democrats done in the 35 years I’ve been alive to prevent this? ABSOLUTELY FUCKING NOTHING EXCEPT FUNDRAISE AND LOSE.
This tweet assumes people care about OPs opinion, or histories opinion. It’s a toothless threat trying to invoke some Boogeyman of future retribution. Anyone who voted for Trump is going to be doing the Jennifer Lawrence “ok” reaction to this.
I’ve family that voted for Trump. Had plans on spending Thanksgiving there. Told them I’m not coming, and told them why. Explained that I’ll be happy to apologize if the next four years goes well. Otherwise, I’m holding them accountable. I love them, but I will not associate with them.
I’m done with the “they’re family, you have to accept them.” Bullshit.
I warned my wife if her dad makes the mistake of showing his bitch ass face to me again he’s dead, she was smart enough to already know
Fucker already literally threatened my life twice before on top of all the other horrid shit he’s done, and now he knows hes not allowed near his favorite daughter or he’s pig food
Sounds like there’s more there than just voting wrong
And should things turn around and the overwhelming consensus somehow turns against Trump (seems highly unlikely currently), people will just lie about having supported him.
And all the fucking clowns that decided to stay home will still try to claim the moral high ground by claiming they supported neither.
The dnc leadership are the real clowns here. They set up this no-win hostage situation and now the hostages are dead and people want to blame everyone except Biden and Harris for it.
So why bother having you’re own morals and opinions, is what you’re saying.
No thanks.
I judge you for your literal inability to detect hostility and scams.
We have SO MUCH EVIDENCE that Trump is a Russian asset who Russia has Kompromat on (see American Kompromat by Unger). We are at war with Russia and previously were at war with them for decades. And we don’t think Putin wants revenge? Look at what happened to Navalny.
Everything Trump wants is deemed harmful by experts. Almost as if he’s a foreign fucking asset harming the US as much as possible in a proxy war. He has a history of violence, abuse, and grifting. How can people be so naive? Literal wolf in wolf’s clothing with neon signs saying “I’m a wolf and I will eat you.”
Everything Trump wants is deemed harmful by experts.
See that’s the problem. “Experts” is a bad word to people like this because it makes them feel stupid in and inferior.
That is their problem, of course, but they have made it all our problem.
Both 2024 and 2016 were total punts by the Democratic party, elections that could have easily been won in large margins, but defeat pulled from the jaws of victory in a way that seemingly only they can.
People know if they live in battleground/swing states. And still, the fact is that despite Trump getting FEWER votes than last time (which is an election he LOST, by the way), he WON this time, simply because millions of blue voters in those key states decided they’d rather not vote at ALL, than vote for the Democrats’ candidate.
There is no excuse for the results of either of these elections, honestly. It’s fucking embarrassing.
Don’t forget they almost lost 2020 as well had it not been for covid they definitely would of lost.
If they’d lost in 2020 the Trump nightmare would be ending in a couple months instead of beginning anew.
LOL that you think it would be ending.
An unusual counterpoint. The ‘krompomat’ the Russians wasn’t really proven, and at this stage I think if they threaten him with releasing whatever Trump can just go ‘LOL like I give a fuck. You seen the shit I did to their face? They still voted for me!’
Unger’s book is extensive and quite established. He is a journalist.
And all narcissists care about is their ego. He gives so many fucks.
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Many of those people could have been swayed to vote democrat if the democrats fucking addressed the actual fucking issues and actually gave them a damn narrative to go by. Saying everything is fine when nothing is fine and the Republicans are constantly screwing them over (while also 100% deflecting ALL blame elsewhere) is delusional at best.
Also fuck AIPAC.
I’ve done a lot of posts critical of the posture and actions of the Democrat Party and their whole “If you don’t vote you’re voting Trump” propaganda (which are right there in my post history with lots of for and against votes), but as I see it the point being made by this tweet is different.
I don’t read this tweet as being about people who didn’t vote at all because the present day Democrat party, Democrat Candidate and Democrat President’s actions didn’t appeal to them (which is what seems to be responsible for the Democrat loss), I think it’s about people who actually explicitly voted Trump (so, none of that “implictly voting Trump if you don’t vote” bollocks but actually putting their vote on Trump)
And I absolutelly agree with this tweet: that man is a complete total worm - in everything from what he’s done to what he says and even his body language - and on top of that was offering scapegoating and hate as policies.
I can get it that some people couldn’t bring themselves to vote for the Genocidal ethno-Fascist supporting, pro-Oligarchy hard-right Neoliberal, slimy snakesoil salesman liar Democrats, but anybody actually voting Trump is not simply distrusting of or dissapointed with the modern day Democrat Party, they’re active supporters of an even broader and deeper kind of nastiness.
While reading the beginning of this comment, I thought I had actually witnessed a “genocide joe” moron admit they were wrong… But nope.
Never gonna happen, is it?
Clearly in your mind people can only be one of two things: for your tribe and all it stands for or against your tribe and all it stands for.
This is exactly the same simpleton take on human beings and Politics as far-right muppets such as Trumpists have.
It’s not surprising you called me moron: Psychological Projection is also another trait of simpleton tribalists.
Well… I do judge them for their choice in political party when that party’s entire platform is built up on those things.
I just feel like after a public rapist becomes president, twice, there’s no hope for Americans. It really is hopeless by now.
Perhaps they’ll fragment after he dies? A lot of dictatorships don’t survive the death of the supreme leader
child rapist, Kate was 12
The DOJ had four years to prosecute him under Biden and they dragged their heels.
The Southern District of New York had ample reason and opportunity to prosecute him as a mobbed to businessman in the '00s and '10s, but he was friends with the mayor so they didn’t.
The Clintons certainly knew about Epstein in the 90s and could have busted that whole thing up 30 years ago. But the donations were too sweet, so they didn’t.
Trump is a creature of consequences.
But also much like most consequences at scale, those that pay the most of the price are not those who brought the consequences on
agree, no argument, just clarifying.
Think about it this way, if you disqualified politicians who engaged in some kind of sexual assault there would not be many left to govern.
It is accepted and now normalized. If you are rich you can rape and do whatever you want.
The problem for me is I grew up in a country that I thought was beyond that. I was apparently wrong.
there would not be many left to govern
Good. There is not that many positions to fill anyway.
It’s not normal that a criminal record that would make it almost impossible to find an entry-level grocery packer job is completely OK for a politician.
a criminal record that would make it almost impossible to find an entry-level grocery packer job is completely OK for a
politicianfucking president of a huge country
If you are rich you can rape and do whatever you want.
This is why I hate capitalism so much. Extreme power disparity is the heart of tyranny and the extreme disparities in wealth that capitalism creates only leads to extreme disparities in political power.
I fear that the US went past a breaking point and that the US will fully be an oligarchy after Trump is done
Oligarchy if we’re lucky…
There would absolutely be men who would qualify, as well as a lot of women. Why do you think everyone is sexually assaulting everyone else? Let’s not allow violent criminals (which rape is both violent and a crime, it is torture via sexual acts) to be in office. At a minimum.
The GOP has normalized this shit, sadly. That’s why.
if you disqualified politicians who engaged in some kind of sexual assault there would not be many left to govern.
I’ve heard arguments to the effect that politicians who are too clean simply don’t succeed, because people don’t want to give you big campaign checks unless they have Compromat on you.
So you get invited to the Eyes Wide Shut party, your rich friends catalog your debauchery, and this is what keeps you loyal.
I guess it didn’t work on Tim Walz or Bernie Sanders?
Seems pretty easy to avoid.
And Bernie took his goddamn honeymoon in the USSR, I imagine they could have bugged every room he entered if they wanted to.
I guess it didn’t work on Tim Walz or Bernie Sanders?
Both are about as loyal as any Dem foot soldiers you could name. Sanders, in particular, has been at least as zealous on Israel as Biden throughout his career.
Bernie disagrees with the Neoliberal rhetoric and wants to save capitalism from itself. But he’s staunchly partisan.
If anyone could use some Compromat its Manchin
I refuse to think about it that way lol. Quantity does not equal acceptance for me. We have to hold our countries’ representatives to a higher standard than being outright criminals, guilty of many, serious offenses. If there are only a handful of politicians left after such a sift, then so be it.
Thank God I’m not in the USA. But it’s not like this doesn’t fuck over the rest of the world too.
It’s time for Josh Duggar to run for office
Bring out R Kelly
The two of them together make the dream team
The problem with disqualifying anyone based on any crimes is that it would enable the current ruling party to stick crimes on the opposition to eliminate the competition.
Just in case to clarify, I’m not defending child rapists who most surely did commit the crime in question, just saying it’s a dangerous concept.
The problem with disqualifying anyone based on any crimes is that it would enable the current ruling party to stick crimes on the opposition to eliminate the competition.
As an example, Trump didn’t get elected because he was convicted of 34 felonies.
Oh wait, maybe the possibility of false crime accusations don’t fucking matter when real ones aren’t a hurdle to getting elected.
Lol right? Let’s stop pretending sexual assault or even pedophilia allegations do ANY HARM when the FUCKING PRESIDENT IS ONE. Let’s stop silencing victims’ stories of abuse out of concern for their abuser since it doesn’t matter anyway, it doesn’t hurt the perpetrator clearly, and just helps the victim to let them share. It also helps other victims be informed. I’m so fucking done with that line of speech now.
it would enable the current ruling party to stick crimes on the opposition to eliminate the competition.
Don Siegelman was the last Dem governor of Alabama. Pursued on spurious charges in 2004, which were immediately thrown out by the judge of the case, then again in 2006 by a Bush appointed Judge who was more friendly with Republican prosecutors.
I expect a lot more of this in 2025 once Trump takes office and starts settling scores.
You should already be hopeless considering the current administration is aiding genocide.
Still at it… She lost, dude. Go away.
Yes, we were already hopeless, but we recognized that there was one option (out of the four: Trump, Harris, third party, or abstention) that provided a possible chance of ending the genocide, while the other three were a guarantee of not only the complete elimination of the Palestinian people, but the expansion into a much larger conflict across the Middle East and possibly the world.
I hope that moral superiority makes you feel better when you see the what the difference between the Democrats and Republicans in Gaza (and beyond) will be. Assuming you actually give a shit.
This might come as a surprise, but the people opposing the genocide did not magically disappear. Almost like they were not a Russian troll farm but real people with morals and values.
but we recognized that there was one option (out of the four: Trump, Harris, third party, or abstention) that provided a possible chance of ending the genocide
You hoped, “we” didnt “recognize”. If Harris was going to end it she would have said so in the few days before the election. She proved pretty thoroughly that was never going to stop taking that AIPAC money.
Pardon my ignorance as a non-American, but which out of the four was the option for (possibly) ending the genocide?
They should, yes. (I’m not American.)
My plan is to simply avoid ALL contact with MAGAs unless I’m forced to work with them. The same way you would avoid a meth-addled pit bull.
I’m not going to let them think their point of view is “fine” by pretending to be civil to them. It’s not.
Yes yes blame voters. Keep doing that. Great strategy. Do not blame the DNC.
They don’t realize that by being angry at their fellow man they them away.
We shouldn’t blame Trump voters for the results of their vote? Why not?
Voters (and people who chose not to vote) are to blame. Fuck off.
So you are to blame for a third party not winning?
See how this does not make any sense
“It’s everyone’s fault but my candidate’s and their party for losing!”
“Its everyone else’s fault but my own that I chose the misogynistic racist.”
It wouldn’t have mattered what the dems did. Trump offered the most concessions to the ultra wealthy. Just like when the Democrats win, thats what decides it.
They did not. Less people voted for Trump than before. There are statistically less racists and mysoginists than before. You should be happy right?
That makes no sense.
There were less Trump voters. And even less Harris voters. People do not want right wing garbage. Ask the DNC to stop shoving it in their faces.
I voted third party. Go on and cry about it liberal.
You’re not pushing your candidate to the left after being out to brunch for the past four years and overlooking a genocide, you’re being pulled right and you think you’re “protecting democracy” by voting for a candidate that not a single vote went to in a primary, and “preventing fascism” by funding the israelis in their genocide.
Unless you’re a literal armed radical, you’d be considered just another kind of liberal too.
Did you vote for a misogynistic racist? I thought you’d voted third party and not trump? You seem to have a guilty conscience.
Por que no los dos?
It’s day four of Trump being in office and I’ve already been ghosted by dozens of people for the crime of not voting. Because, you know, immigrants who can’t vote are expected to vote too.
Trump isn’t in office until he’s sworn in mid January.
Also simultaneously LOL and I’m really sorry. Those people are not only stupid but not your friends.
Wait, what, you didn’t vote? GAAHH! Yeah not important at all.
A non citizen CAN’T VOTE!
I voted third party. Cry about it.
That’s what I always choose.
Idk what’s worse: not voting and making your voice useless out of apathy or laziness, or voting third party and making sure your voice means nothing on purpose.
The whole point of a democracy is people speak their minds, is it not?
If you vote third party, your vote is an extension of your true self. If you vote for a potential winner just out of the likeliness they’ll win, is that really “you”?
Same logic if you don’t vote. In Australia, voting is a requirement for all citizens, and it’s disastrous because you end up with people who just don’t care filling up some random candidate’s score, so the outcome doesn’t reflect what people actually want.
If you vote third party, your vote is an extension of your true self.
Your true self is a waste of time.
How did you vote third party if you can’t vote?
Reading comprehension is hard. I’m a US citizen, the original comment I replied to is that of an immigrant who can’t legally vote.
It is so odd and counterproductive to me to take this position. “Vote how I want or Ill hate you because Im a better person than you.” Yeah, that will really bring those votes in by the millions. Instead of acting like a child why not learn about these peoples’ lives and attempt to understand why they voted the way they did? Why did Democrats lose the male vote, the independent vote, half of Latinos, and all 7 swing states? It is ignorant and lazy to call them all the isms, go and actually learn why you lost.
You have a good point that understanding the voter is a good path to figuring out how to fix this in the future.
We still get to judge them for being awful people, because fooled or not, they effectively are
Dig deep enough in any awful begaviour and you can find causes and explanations, but that doesn’t make every behaviour ok
And Harris voters behavior is equally awful, they overlooked a genocide to vote for her to “prevent fascism” and “protect democracy” meanwhile the democrat party doesn’t participate in democracy or we would of had a real primary.
The only two possible outcomes were
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genocide
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genocide plus fascism and other bad shit
By voting third party, you supported the latter.
Sure, killing the two party system is the long term solution, but this particular election was not the time.
By voting third party I SUPPORTED THE THIRD PARTY.
Fuck outta here with your liberal bullshit. Go be mad at the DNC for royally fucking this up.
You supported genocide AND anti democratic behavior (refusing a primary and forcing their unpopular unelected candidate down our throats then chastising us for voting wrong) and you have the FUCKING NERVE to pretend you give a flying fuck about fascism or democracy? Go back to fucking brunch lib.
Congratulations on pissing your vote away, I guess.
You could have voted for your next door neighbor too and told yourself you were voting against genocide, but you’d be wrong then too.
You didn’t support the third party’s chances of winning because there was no way that was going to ever happen in this election. Elections aren’t about voting for candidates as much as they are voting for outcomes.
The word liberal is not the insult you think it is.
Liberal is definitely an insult. It means having no morals or ethics or inherent beliefs and just voting blue no matter who, no matter who they genocide. It’s pathetic.
How’s chastising voters for voting wrong working out for you? You ready to lose 2028 too?
If you look at the dictionary definition, it means pretty much exactly the opposite of what you said. Also, the D party is not highly aligned with the definition of liberal, so you’re also wrong about it meaning always voting blue.
A third outcome would have been to demand the dems not support it by voting uncommitted and talking about it as an issue the voters cared about. Bide/Harris could have changed their mind at any time, and they decided not to. each voter had 1/400 millionth of the choice that Biden Harris had. Dems should blame them for their choices.
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