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    4 days ago

    Unpopular, uncharismatic, neoliberal establishment candidates that are pushed down the throat of democratic party voters (Hillary, Biden, Kamala)

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      I have no idea what people mean by neoliberalism, since it seems to be different every time, but there are an awful lot of article from actual experts, saying the opposite. As a simplification, neoliberalism is associated with reduced regulation of businesses at the expense of people, yet so many of Biden policies have been strengthening the role if actual people for the first time in decades. Do you have any idea how many decades it’s been since a president gave real support to unions?

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        I’ve had this argument with self described progressives several times. They do not understand what Neoliberalism is, even when linked 200 level ideologies study material about it. They want it to mean “Secretly the worst conservative”. It’s an outgrowth of the idea that both parties are the same. As such they must lump liberals in with actual Neoliberals.

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        Personally I see it as politicians that pay lip service to social causes while being corporate capitalist shills. Amazon, Google and other corporations are all bigger than ever, fleecing the employees and gouging the customers while holding a monopoly on essential services.

        Sorry im worked up, but being sincere for a second, was there an attempt by Biden to break up these megacorp? And to stop price gouging? And increase pay to prioritize workers instead of share holder value?

        I still believe that democrats are better for the workers than Republicans. And Trump will absolutely wreck the economy. But the democratic party has only done the bare fucking minimum

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          I also wish they acted more quickly, more assertively instead of always playing centrist, however real change can be slow and gradual. I do believe it’s the nature of the beast, not just cautiousness.

          • Real change requires stability over time, not instant gratification
          • flipping back and forth every four years can only make things worse, and has
          • real change requires foundational change, but also needs to be incorporated throughout.

          For example, bringing back unions may be one of the most important ways to restore a healthy worker class, but they don’t just appear. Biden gave more support for unions than any president I’ve seen. It’s especially notable that he was criticized for tempering efforts to bring back manufacturing, to build an electronics supply chain, a renewable energy supply chain, with union requirements. They would take time and need continued nurturing but could have started faster without the union commitment. In this vision, as that manufacturing rose over the years, unions would rise with it, and help rebuild a healthy working class. But you can see how this would take years. It will never be sudden improvement, exciting turnaround, but if we were able to build strong unions, it will not just grow better conditions for most of us, but reinforce that, strengthen that, keep it alive over the inevitable regressive backlash.

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          Biden’s administration got an anti-mononopoly ruling against Google and had no plans to stop there.

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      The exact same DNC also pushed Obama down our throats who had the same policies as all those canidates, and that turned out great

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        Great? Wasn’t it that Obamas ambivalence towards lower offices and rise of identity politics that ushered an era of Republican obstructionists and things barely got passed, if at all?

        Bernie would’ve mopped the floor with Trump. But instead we got the wife of a pervert who has the charisma of a hangnail, and who on top of that, actively promoted Trump in Republican primaries because she thought he’d be an easy candidate to beat.

        Ignoring, gaslighting, belittling, and berating the electoral base is not how you gather support

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        Obama vowed to transform health care and he did. Biden Harris did not have any policy aspirations at all.

        This should teach the DNC that if you run on even a modest progressive policy that even the republicans want, you will win. And if you dont, you will lose. You dont even need to stop calling the progressives names, you just need to make peoples lives better and more Just.

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          Obama vowed to transform health care and he did. Biden Harris did not have any policy aspirations at all.

          This just isn’t true at all

          Process reality