Shoutout to our hard-working maintainers, first of all.
Wanted to open a space for the community to discuss this aspect of marketing/identity.
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yeah, who would ever be on such an instance
hahaEh, I chose this instance because it was one of the top 5 or so, not because of the name. I would probably hesitate to share a link from this instance, but honestly, I don’t do that anyway, I generally just share links to actual articles linked here.
So for me, it’s really a non-issue. I have much larger concerns about how Lemmy works in general than naming of any one site, such as the one mentioned in the OP (no indication from domain name that it’s a Lemmy instance, one instance lagging on updates can break when viewed from other instances, etc). So to me, it’s going to stay niche because the user experience kind of sucks.
As a new person to lemmy and the fediverse concept as a whole, when I was looking for an instance to join it was the unique URL that drew me here. And the fact it’s run by a fellow wargoose. I can see why people would dislike the URL though. So far I like it here and hope it doesn’t change.
Welcome here!
The anti-gtld propaganda is spicy hot lately, anything non-.com is a keyboard rage trigger.
A lot of people have uneducated opinions on gtlds, but as a professional DNS engineer: fuck gtlds. They’re literally corporate cash grabs that make my work much, much harder and actively make the Internet worse.
Thanks for proving my point lol how do gtlds make your work much, much harder??
actively worse
😂😂😂
how do gtlds make your work much, much harder??
Since you’ve shown vague interest in my field, allow me to elaborate!
gtlds add a ton of complexity to managing DNS. Every new gtld means more configurations to deal with, which makes things way more prone to errors. On top of that, they make monitoring and security tougher since we have to constantly watch for threats from an ever-growing list of domains—more phishing, more typosquatting, more headaches. It’s also a pain when systems don’t play nice with certain gtlds, leading to random bugs or outages we have to troubleshoot. And let’s not forget the user confusion. People are used to .com or .org, so we end up fielding extra support requests, trying to explain what these domains even are which means I have to explain repeatedly to executives to NOT use some gimmicky gtld for their new site. When users are upset because “thewebsiteimanage.hot” is a porn site, thats a huge problem. Defensive domains are a nightmare and get worse every time a new gltd is created.
That’s a lot of hats for one person to wear, no wonder you’re having so much trouble managing your configuration. Sounds like it’d be easier to have a single registry with an open top dot and delegate all that management.
Hm, so to explain the problem better: I work for a large organization that has many sites. Part of that is managing all the names. We have over 500 domains and 75% of them are defensive domains. For example, if I have companysite.com then I also must have companysite.net and .org and .co and so on and so forth. They all redirect to companysite.com
I wonder if companysite. would be more expensive than a portfolio. There’s value in identity trust and countless ways to do that but the Internet gravitated to squirreling away domain names.
So, if you want to be a registrar, it is a considerable responsibility, cost, and effort. It also doesn’t solve the original problem. Users will still go to companysite.com because that’s what they think it is. Trying to tell users to go to companysite. would be damn near impossible without giving a quick DNS 101 lesson. Also, your SEO would be fuuucked. Good luck selling that to any exec. As for your concern with the Internet choosing to go with delegating domains, it’s actually critical to how we run DNS. Imagine if every single lookup had to contact the root servers. Every single email. Every single ping. Icann would have to be the size of Google. This also means that requirements for being a tld would be significantly reduced which would greatly compromise the Internet if any of them went rogue.
I’m so used to tech and Linux stuff that I first thought that it was a special interest instance for shell scripting and TUIs. Now, it’s a toss up between “shit just works” and “sh! It just works”.
I thought it was for shell script aficionados.
chose the instance because of the name, stuck for the uptime, reliability and admins
Same here. If people don’t like it, fuckem 🤷♂️. I’ll find it all the funnier because of it.
Yeah, but at the end of the day we either want Lemmy to grow, or we don’t. And if we make it difficult or awkward for people to use Lemmy, then we’re shooting ourselves in the foot if our goal is to grow Lemmy’s user base.
this is just my opinion but taking away personality to appeal to a wider audience is one of the worst things modern megacorps do, the strength of the fediverse is the power it gives to individuals and communities over corporations with money, and so personality is one of the things the fediverse needs to maintain to succeed
100% agree, well said
The name says it all!
Same, came here to say this.
If people can’t handle the word shit, they probably shouldn’t be looking at shit on Lemmy. Lmao
The commenter themselves used big f potty word 😱
Must have goody two-shoes friends
You got it lol
Was just about to link you to this post!
In my post, I removed the link to the original thread after someone in this comment section forgot to attack the idea instead of the person. Tsk tsk, chilling effects when we do that!
RE: chilling: It’s hard to find an idea expressed yet which is not shared by others. Attack the person, and the opinion stays, but in the future it may be hidden from view. And that’s just not better for anyone.
Thanks for sparking a big discussion!
Harumph of agreement!
I Iike both slrpnk and blahaj but it’s not like their domain names are magically not also part of this alphabet soup they’re talking about.
It’s… kinda the point of federation and decentralization.
Sure, Reddit or Facebook have brand recognition, they’re also centralized corpo garbage.If a blahaj user wants to share a SJW post, but finds the sjw domain untasteful, they can also just share their instance’s URL for said post.
This comment would be more relevant a year down the line if perspectives shifted and users begged for sanitization, but:
Is it technically challenging or financially costly or otherwise problematic to mirror content to another subdomain, or domain mask or something? I thought of this after seeing oldsh.itjust.works:
try.itjust.works leg.itjust.works share.itjust.works subm.itjust.works(2 & 4 don’t work as well as the current split word)
No reply requested unless it seems like it would be fun/interesting to type one
I’m not an expert on the specific of this, but changing the domain for the UI (as in oldsh.itjust.works) seems a lot easier than changing the domain for the backend, which includes federation with all other instances.
I don’t know of any way to change the federated stuff without breaking pretty much everything and starting over.
Maybe there is and I just don’t know about it, or maybe there could be an easier way at some point.
Amazingly few users seem to realize this can be done.
I think most (especially mobile) clients simply don’t have this option and will always copy/share the “fedi link” - the url where the content is canonically hosted. all other URLs are simply cached representations of the original content.
Boost offers both pretty readily.
Thunder:
The default Web UI as well, the link icon is using your instance, the fediverse icon gives the commenter/poster’s instance link
Honestly, that’s one of the things I like most about lemmy.
The web UI just works fine in a mobile browser. I was so used to garbage sites going out of their way to gimp the mobile experience (to push you into their app) that I had forgotten how pleasant it was to just use a browser for this.
Multiple tabs, ublock origin, bookmarks, etc.
I appreciate that there are apps available, but it’s nice not needing an app.
I think it’s just for comments?
I’ve been wanting the same for posts for some time now
It works for posts on the default UI
Thunder has it for posts and comments.
Ditto, i thought i was going nuts, but yeah its only for comments, not for sharing a post
I started on lemmy.ml because I thought it was “the default one” to some extent. Learned that was a mistake pretty fast. Glad I found this one.
I think the same thing is why lemmy.world is as big as it is. “Well that must be the default one, it says lemmy and it’s for the whole world.”
I may be remembering it wrong, but I think world was one of the few accepting people without a referral during the reddit migration. That’s why I use .world. I also don’t really understand federation besides it means I can see other instances, but I only barely know what that means. There were a lot of “what is the fediverse” posts when I first joined, and they were helpful, but maybe too simplified?
I also remember thinking .world and .ml were the defaults when I started.
It’s very inviting! Unless you want to say anything bad about anybody for any reason.
Can’t imagine that’ll come up.
lol I hadn’t seen the acronymized instance name. was the fact that it’s sjw intentional?
We’re all someone’s SJW.
I was there all those years ago…
The owner had the domain itjust.works, and was in some large thread asking what subdomain they should use, and some genius said “sh”.
Yeah I recall the thread. There were quite a few suggestions none of which I can remember now. Sh was just so good.
beautiful instance lore
all those years ago
Is it that many? I thought the server was younger than 2…
Yeah it was a little over a year ago lol
As someone who works with a marketing department for a living, please don’t ruin this with marketing.
I’m sympathetic… I’m not sure I’d be willing to share a sh.itjust.works link to my company #general slack channel.
Though that is far from the biggest problem Lemmy has for adoption. Many communities are simply flooded with 15yr old tankies.
Usually I’ll be sharing either screenshots or just straight ripping the meme to send directly. But I also don’t generally communicate with work colleagues outside of work
I wouldn’t share a reddit link in that scenario either, but it’s a decent point.
Jeez. It’s just a link to just a site. What is the problem with that url? If it’s share-worthy, just share. If people don’t click it because of “bUt iTs nOt a .CoM!” screw them, bad luck for them. People need to study and pay a lot to be allowed to drive a car, but any technically challenged dildo can use the interwebz without the slightest clue about anything, and is also allowed to voice an opinion about it.
Pretty sure they meant because of the word shit, not the TLD works.
Doesn’t change my point. Even worse. How could anyone be hurt in their feelz by that harmless word? If that already hurts them, this world will be no fun place for them to exist
Uhh… My friend. They said it was a work chat. Regardless of your opinion if swearing I think you should understand that work places are generally more conservative with regards to swear words.
I dunno where you work, but that’s a place i would not want to work if i had to work at all. Jeez, i would leave such a place in an instant…
When you grow up you’ll realize that sometimes you need to consider the attitudes and feelings of others rather than just “fuck 'em”.
If someone’s feelings are hurt by a silly url, it’s me that should grow up? We’re not talking about trigger-urls like r*pe-is-fun.org or similar.
I have not met a single person since the beginning of the internet that would have his/her feelz hurt by sh.itjust.works.
If someone’s feelings are hurt by a silly url, it’s me that should grow up?
Yes. It’s you who should realize that other people’s perspectives, thoughts, opinions, etc. matter. It’s something one typically learns as they grow into adulthood.
sometimes their opinions are stupid. it’s a word. peoplr use it to mean “stuff” - if youre gonna omgwtfbbq over vulgarity in this world, in this time, just go clutch your pearls somewhere else and leave the world for those of us who worry about crap worth worrying about
no, really. next youre gonna tell me my tattoos need to be covered at work, too! die off, old generation- nobody cares about that shit anymore. have an opinion worth a damn? ok! but i dont have time for gaspers and groaners worrying about thr most inane fucking nonsense
the world is fucking burning but, sure watch your language because peoples feels
dnehsyhxdkowdngmgkg
Hey, I’m “old generation” and i don’t care. We’re not all facebook-loving whatsappers. It’s people who don’t know what real problems are that care about some silly words noone else cares about.
If you reach 30 you’ll understand.
I’m 50 and don’t understand. I voluntarily work with abused people. They got real problems, they don’t care about trivialities in life like sh.itjust.works. If you reach 40 you’ll maybe understand. Or maybe it’s no matter of age but wisdom or horizon.
yay i dont come off as old, and cold, and settled in my ways
\o/
oh shit wait you just mean you think Im immature
:P
I’m probably older than your daddy, but… People’s thoughts etc do matter. Sure. Never said they don’t. And if someone is truly hurt by reading the word “shit”, i can only really hope for them that they’ll never run into real problems in this world.
“when you grow up” is what people say when their skin starts to grow over the mask they wear.
I got tired of half-assing being someone else. Frankly I’m too busy to bother.
“when you grow up” is what people say when their skin starts to grow over the mask they wear.
#7thgradedeep
You need clearer language? Only immature people worry about being “grown up”, well-adjusted people just get on with it.
Literally joined because of the name
Firmly agree. It sounds both a) fun, and b) wildly reliable. The two things I needed back when I was a Lemmy newb
It is a decent normie filter lol
They can join lemmy.world for regime sponsored front
sh.itjust.works is my fav instance domain name too 😅
Hello,
I see you are on lemmy.one, do you know that your instance admin seems to have been missing for the last few months?
This is sh.itjust.works, not fragile.nitpicker.justworks AWOO AWOO AWOO
How dare they mess with Sh, It Just Works.
Sh, It Just Works ™️
Probably a fan if those fancy newfangled bash or fish shells.
I am partial to pdksh, mainly because when I read it I hear a drummer going “ba-dum-tschh” like at the end of a joke, which is how I see most of my sed invokations.
Fish shells? I only know bash and sh…
Huh, TIL. Thanks.
