Okay but also most of the people doing real shit in the imperial core happen to be anarchists. This is not a dig at my ML comrades but please let me know when yall start burning cop cars and court houses and shit.
I’d argue that at the stage we’re at in the west, it’s most important to educate people and combining that with material support networks such as mutual aid groups. Burning cop cars and court houses isn’t really going to achieve much of anything in the grand scheme of things. Without an organized movement, it just ends up being people lashing out in ad hoc fashion. Something along the lines of Rainbow Coalition that Fred Hampton was building would be good to see.
The “burning cop cars and court houses” stuff is kind of the problem though. It’s just mindless adventurism. It’s not actually fighting the system, it’s someone being the hero fighting the system. It’s self-aggrandizing. It doesn’t help any left wing causes really. It either hurts innocent civilians (and turns the public against your cause) or causes the state to crack down harder on your movement. Actual, organised action is what is needed, not adventurism. Though to their credit, I’ve seen plenty of anarchists in the west organise too though.
Yeah I get what you mean, where I live you only have a racist electoral “communist” party, and a bunch of trots orgs, so I totally get why MLs aren’t the ones getting things done. But I also think that right now, being a principled ML puts you at odd with everything, so there’s no room for a decent ML party.
Imo the west will burn to ashes before meeting the conditions for a revolution so I guess anarchists are doing the job by burning stuff /s
comrade, i say this with great respect for anarchists, i dont think idealizing adventurism is the best case for ur tendency. these acts can harm innocent bystanders and scares of ppl who would otherwise be ripe for radicalization. anarchists do many other things at a greater frequency than MLs— mutual aid, food share events for homeless ppl, disrupting environment-destroying projects, cop city protests, etc
edit: i think burning cop cars, courthouses, and FOP buildings is cool, but i dont think we should advocate for socialists to do so and get themselves imprisoned or killed
I have yet to see the anarchists over here set up more than a dozen well run, free healthcare clinics or effectively lowering cost of living or protesting for keeping public transport lines open etc.
It’s cool that they run a soup kitchen and have the occasional burning of things ritual but it’s the tankies getting shit done.
I wasn’t saying anarchists don’t do anything over here, they do. But it has become a bit of a meme in leftist circles that the anarchist solution to problems either boils down to ‘soup kitchen’ or ‘punch the baddies in the face’ without eye for educating and mobilizing the working class. And while I appreciate their time and effort and their support to whatever we are doing, punching a random nazi politician or burning the umpteenth cop car is not going to get the masses in movement unfortunately. So please anarchist friends, do help us with your tactics but let us do things our way as well lol.
I don’t think a simple google search will be very helpful. Anyone interested, just listen to the recent two seasons of Marx Madness and follow @chunkaluta1973 on “x.”
Proud commie that might be cool in certain ways checking in. Black bloc tends to be a mix of anarchists and commies.
Anyways anarchists are usually my comrades. There’s just one particular subset that really, really suck, and are really more just angry liberals than anarchists. They are very loud, though.
Okay but also most of the people doing real shit in the imperial core happen to be anarchists. This is not a dig at my ML comrades but please let me know when yall start burning cop cars and court houses and shit.
I’d argue that at the stage we’re at in the west, it’s most important to educate people and combining that with material support networks such as mutual aid groups. Burning cop cars and court houses isn’t really going to achieve much of anything in the grand scheme of things. Without an organized movement, it just ends up being people lashing out in ad hoc fashion. Something along the lines of Rainbow Coalition that Fred Hampton was building would be good to see.
The “burning cop cars and court houses” stuff is kind of the problem though. It’s just mindless adventurism. It’s not actually fighting the system, it’s someone being the hero fighting the system. It’s self-aggrandizing. It doesn’t help any left wing causes really. It either hurts innocent civilians (and turns the public against your cause) or causes the state to crack down harder on your movement. Actual, organised action is what is needed, not adventurism. Though to their credit, I’ve seen plenty of anarchists in the west organise too though.
The angry, feeling leftist in me loves the sound of adventurism.
The critical, thinking leftist in me knows better than to let that comrade out.
Dialetics
Yeah I get what you mean, where I live you only have a racist electoral “communist” party, and a bunch of trots orgs, so I totally get why MLs aren’t the ones getting things done. But I also think that right now, being a principled ML puts you at odd with everything, so there’s no room for a decent ML party.
Imo the west will burn to ashes before meeting the conditions for a revolution so I guess anarchists are doing the job by burning stuff /s
comrade, i say this with great respect for anarchists, i dont think idealizing adventurism is the best case for ur tendency. these acts can harm innocent bystanders and scares of ppl who would otherwise be ripe for radicalization. anarchists do many other things at a greater frequency than MLs— mutual aid, food share events for homeless ppl, disrupting environment-destroying projects, cop city protests, etc
edit: i think burning cop cars, courthouses, and FOP buildings is cool, but i dont think we should advocate for socialists to do so and get themselves imprisoned or killed
The folks I am talking about are mostly unhoused comrades retaliating when our free kitchens get shut down
the fact this is downvoted while a meme that explicitly just dunks on anarchists without any real critique to it is just sad
Like polish anarchists doing exactly one burning since 1989: they burned a Soviet consulate in 1991.
I have yet to see the anarchists over here set up more than a dozen well run, free healthcare clinics or effectively lowering cost of living or protesting for keeping public transport lines open etc.
It’s cool that they run a soup kitchen and have the occasional burning of things ritual but it’s the tankies getting shit done.
Interesting cuz I have
Well that’s good then innit
I wasn’t saying anarchists don’t do anything over here, they do. But it has become a bit of a meme in leftist circles that the anarchist solution to problems either boils down to ‘soup kitchen’ or ‘punch the baddies in the face’ without eye for educating and mobilizing the working class. And while I appreciate their time and effort and their support to whatever we are doing, punching a random nazi politician or burning the umpteenth cop car is not going to get the masses in movement unfortunately. So please anarchist friends, do help us with your tactics but let us do things our way as well lol.
I totally agree and that is why I am actually helping build out an organization based on decolonial Marxism. Look up Chunka Luta.
I don’t think a simple google search will be very helpful. Anyone interested, just listen to the recent two seasons of Marx Madness and follow @chunkaluta1973 on “x.”
Yeah I was being lazy but it is the first result if you Google it
All that comes up for me is a painting called chunka-ah-luta.
I’m not sure if this is a joke or not.
Proud commie that might be cool in certain ways checking in. Black bloc tends to be a mix of anarchists and commies.
Anyways anarchists are usually my comrades. There’s just one particular subset that really, really suck, and are really more just angry liberals than anarchists. They are very loud, though.