What don’t get is why people think something like star wars can’t have different tones. It’s a big universe with a big story. Just because the originals were these scifi epics doesn’t mean a different story set in the universe can’t be grounded and dark. Like how 40k can be really goofy and stupid but also really serious and gritty. It depends on the specific story being told within the setting. Not the setting as a whole
I remember when discussing Rogue One with my mother (who is not a big Star Wars fan), I mentioned that many felt it was out of place in the series, because it was unusually dark. To which my mother opined that the series was always dark.
In discussing it, it… honestly is. We fans sometimes overlook it, because the Original Trilogy is so triumphant in tone and grand in scale, and the Prequel Trilogy is… plagued with other problems… but Star Wars is dark in a way that original fairy tales are dark.
An entire civilization is exterminated in the first half hour.
Andor is probably the best star wars they’ve done. It has flaws, but it’s so much better than Obi-Wan and Ashoka.
There’s nothing wrong with wanting a fantasy setting to adopt a more adult tone and intention. Having more complex plots and dialogue. I think a of of the people liking Andor are in that category. They want to see Star Wars grow up and put behind the camp and cheery kid show shit.
I’m all for variety. But honestly Marvel got the kids. Let Star Wars shift to the generations that grew up on it so they can get good writing again, and maybe R rated Vader.
I guess, and this is going to go down as well as most things I’ve said in this thread, it just seems childish. “I want my childhood stuff to grow up with me and become adult just like me!”
Beyond that, Star Wars is a goofy universe and doesn’t super hold up when you try to take it seriously. (They have robots who are inexplicably terrible shots? They can move things at faster than light but only just realized that means you can fly a ship, or even just a cement block with jets, through another? Robots exist and are cheap but human manual labour seems preferable for no discernible reason?) And if you strip away the goofy fun, you’re just left with Star Wars minus the Star Wars elements.
There are MANY good sci fi universes where complex plots, moral dilemmas and good dialogue exist. Those universes have been crafted to make it all work.
I want more Christmas Specials and Ewoks. I want Star Wars to embrace the camp and cheery kid show shit. I am getting so god damn sick of all the dark, super serious stuff across every genre of media that’s been trending for over a decade now.
Honestly I was very surprised by the success of Andor, as I really thought the early reviews back when the show only had a couple of episodes really nailed it’s with the criticism of the show is slow, boring, and not Star Wars.
It doesn’t even pretend to be anything resembling what I know is Star Wars until the Prison Arc and by then I’m too burned out on the terrible Heist to care.
Clearly the show has an audience, I will never understand why, and it’s not like I can’t handle a show with a slow burn. It’s just Andor feels less like a slow burn and more like trying to keep warm with a single match during a blizzard.
From what I’ve gathered in this thread these are wrong thoughts so watch out! (Even though I’m inclined to believe you.)
I was crucified so hard back on Reddit for saying this, that I loaded up Lego star wars, and set up Andor as the P2 character and just kept killing him for twenty minutes.
I don’t even hate the show. I just hate all the people trying to Gaslight me into believing that I’m some kind of moron who is incapable of understanding the Brilliance of the show when in reality I understand “Empire Bad” just fine… and also it’s not exactly new information… I merely find it incredibly boring. I don’t respect the show enough to hate it.
By that I mean it doesn’t stir half emotions within me for me to even bother thinking about it beyond my initial impression.
Meanwhile I can tell you on every level how book of Boba Fett was a grand disappointment that served no purpose outside of assassinating the character of Boba Fett and hyping up the third season to a show that ironically I didn’t watch because of how bad book of Boba Fett butchered every character not nicknamed Mando.
As for Andor, it’s not even bad.
I don’t mean that it’s not bad, it’s that I can’t give an opinion on the show that doesn’t also apply to watching paint dry, because that is also defined by the three fundemental remarks slow, boring, and not Star Wars.
set up Andor as the P2 character and just kept killing him for twenty minutes.
Ahahaha
As for Andor, it’s not even bad. I don’t mean that it’s not bad, it’s that I can’t give an opinion on the show that doesn’t also apply to watching paint dry, because that is also defined by the three fundemental remarks slow, boring, and not Star Wars.
Brutal! But, based on the handful of episodes I watched, on point. Just such a weird choice. “You know that universe, famous for laser sword fights, exciting space battles and dialogue that winks at the camera? Let’s strip out all that joy and make a not particularly well written serious drama there!”
I basically agree with you on Boba Fett but I have to admit, getting super baked and (spoilers) watching him destroy stuff while riding a goddamn rancor was like watching my childhood sandbox dreams come to life.
Brutal! But, based on the handful of episodes I watched, on point. Just such a weird choice. “You know that universe, famous for laser sword fights, exciting space battles and dialogue that winks at the camera? Let’s strip out all that joy and make a not particularly well written serious drama there!”
I get the feeling this was written by a guy who really wished he was writing a Game of Thrones knock-off, but somehow failed upward and now he has to do that beloved franchise that prints money… Apparently in interviews he admitted to not liking Star Wars… Given how long it took for Stormtroopers to show up instead of “Guys in generic military uniforms”, I could kind of tell.
Launchs my friend, you’re kind of alright.
Apparently in interviews he admitted to not liking Star Wars…
Ballsy thing to admit but you’re right, that absolutely tracks.
Launchs my friend, you’re kind of alright.
Awww, thanks, right back atchya Queen!
It is just more a function of having to explain more because there is more to explain. The original trilogy feels lived in, but they only explain a small part of it because they don’t have to. Eventually, you get enough world building that you have to start explaining the smaller bits.
And since the Star Wars universe has more stories including those with non-Jedi, it means having to create smaller enemies that the heroes can fight against.
Star Wars is one of those situations where it gets worse the more you learn about it. The original trilogy set off a trend but we see where it’s now at. Kind of like watching Lost.
