China has lashed out at Germany after its foreign minister called Xi Jinping a “dictator” and summoned Berlin’s ambassador for a dressing down, in the latest flaring of tensions with a western democratic power over how the Chinese leader is described overseas.

  • MeowZedong@lemmygrad.ml
    link
    fedilink
    arrow-up
    14
    arrow-down
    51
    ·
    1 year ago

    There’s a big difference here.

    Is Trump’s skin naturally orange? Is there a long history of oppressing white people in the US and other NATO countries?

    Just because the Winnie the Pooh meme didn’t originate as a racist symbol doesn’t mean that it isn’t used to propagate racism and sinophobia.

    • eltimablo@kbin.social
      link
      fedilink
      arrow-up
      44
      arrow-down
      8
      ·
      1 year ago

      Just because the Winnie the Pooh meme isn’t actually racist doesn’t mean I’m not going to call it racist in a pathetic attempt to establish a fake moral high ground over people who have arguments I can’t counter

      There, I fixed it for you.

      • MeowZedong@lemmygrad.ml
        link
        fedilink
        arrow-up
        7
        arrow-down
        24
        ·
        1 year ago

        Projecting much? Care to explain how it isn’t racist or damaging with an argument other than “nuh-uh”?

        • eltimablo@kbin.social
          link
          fedilink
          arrow-up
          12
          arrow-down
          5
          ·
          1 year ago

          Insulting someone doesn’t make it racist just because the other person is a different race from you.

          Also, the meme was started by Chinese people.

          • MeowZedong@lemmygrad.ml
            link
            fedilink
            arrow-up
            6
            arrow-down
            11
            ·
            1 year ago

            I agree with you on both points, but that is not the argument that I was making. If you need some more context, Here’s just one of the many additional comments I left in this thread explaining my position.

            FYI, citing the fact that the meme originated in China does not negate how it is used by others after the fact. It’s like arguing that when neonazis use the swastika, it’s ok because its actual origins are as an ancient religious symbol. The meanings of things can change and be used for reasons other than their original intention.

            I’m not saying the meme is racist, I’m saying that it’s being used in a racist way here, specifically in the form of Sinophobia.

            • intensely_human@lemm.ee
              link
              fedilink
              arrow-up
              9
              arrow-down
              3
              ·
              1 year ago

              I’m not saying the meme is racist

              – You

              The Winnie the Pooh meme about Xi is just racism

              – Also you

              • MeowZedong@lemmygrad.ml
                link
                fedilink
                arrow-up
                4
                arrow-down
                3
                ·
                1 year ago

                True, but you can also see that I clarified my statement in better detail after initially wording it poorly. You got me, I guess I’ll go rethink my entire worldview now.

    • unphazed@lemmy.world
      link
      fedilink
      arrow-up
      26
      arrow-down
      4
      ·
      1 year ago

      Xi isn’t in the US and his country isn’t part of NATO. Political cartoons are as old as time. They poke fun at the individual, not their descent. By trying to make it more you’re arguing for it to be censored. He has feelings (maybe), but he has gone so far as to attempt to censor the cartoon from his own country. Not because he believes it is racist, but because his opinion is that he doesn’t like it. Streisand Effect of course, it gets used more. I think Xi does remarkably look like Pooh. Do other Asian persons? No. There isn’t an innocence about it. Xi feels bad by it, people use it to make him angry. He is a dictator with lots of power so people use the one tool they have to attempt to fight that power - a fucking cartoon bear.

      • MeowZedong@lemmygrad.ml
        link
        fedilink
        arrow-up
        4
        arrow-down
        16
        ·
        1 year ago

        I think you misinterpreted part of what I’m saying. The use of the meme in Taiwan and Hong Kong were political dissent, not racism.

        The use of the meme in NATO countries is racist due to their history of racism and because this is one of the tools these governments use to convince you that China is your enemy and you should support military actions against them before their military becomes stronger than that of the US and they lose their monopoly on international power and subsequently their power to bully the rest of the world.

        Before you dismiss this argument by saying it’s just because Xi doesn’t like the meme, where did you get this information? From what I’ve seen the Chinese government has not responded and the reasoning behind the ban is purely speculative. Sure, I believe they banned the comparison as it was the basis of geopolitical dissent, but to claim it’s because a world leader who gets insulted frequently and in worse ways has thin skin is a stretch. He has bigger worries than Westerners tweeting at him.

        If you want a tool to fight the power of dictators, you’d be better served focusing on organizing the citizens of your own country against the powers that work against their interests at home. They point you toward foreign leaders and say “look, they’re worse” so you won’t criticize the shit job your own “representatives” are doing at home.

        • intensely_human@lemm.ee
          link
          fedilink
          arrow-up
          4
          arrow-down
          2
          ·
          1 year ago

          The use of the meme in NATO countries is racist due to their history of racism

          This isn’t how that works. And even if it were, then it would be racist everywhere due to everywhere’s history of racism.

    • GBU_28@lemm.ee
      link
      fedilink
      English
      arrow-up
      14
      arrow-down
      6
      ·
      1 year ago

      What? Winnie the Pooh is from a British cartoon…Asian people aren’t described as “orange” by racists. I don’t think you know the origin of this meme

      Please illustrate how a British cartoon character is a racist caricature of xi? Is Barack Obama a tiger?