Like, openly western-backed : https://www.nytimes.com/2021/07/19/world/americas/claude-joseph-haiti-stepping-down.html

And here’s the article : https://apnews.com/article/cnhv-cubans-haitians-nicaraguans-venezuelans-parole-border-8440fe7e468dc985fb8939ccaa1be8e8

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I don’t expect any definitive answer, but i/we could perhaps learn a few things in this thread.

Most people here already know that Kenya has been called to restore order(, and keep being pro-west, otherwise we’d encourage riots as usual).
Last time it was Canada, although more things probably happened since then.
Of course, they’re paid less than a dollar an hour and are expected to be grateful to even have a job, that opening their economy to foreign investors will bring them prosperity to all, or w/e.

As far as i remember, the assassins of Jovenel Moïse were mercenaries captured in Columbia ? A dead-end apparently, weird that they managed to capture them without learning the contractor’s identity, perhaps were they hired without being aware of it, i don’t know much about this.

It’s out of topic, but damn do i keep remembering the awful tortures inflicted for YEARS to presumed masterminds of 9/11, they went to hospitals SEVERAL times because of anal bleeding and i can’t imagine how much they begged to be allowed to die, we’ll never know what depraved torments they had to live through, and i don’t know if it’s worse than the millions of people we killed, but it’s so awful, i keep thinking about this and wanted to place it somewhere.
Yet Julian Assange has been freed, there are also many other good news.

Anyway, if you have some informations to share i’m interested.

  • soumerd_retardataire@lemmygrad.mlOP
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    3 months ago

    You’re saying that this program was a bad thing for the venezuelan/haitian/nicaraguan/cuban population, and i’m saying that 3 out of the 4 countries’ names were considered “terrorists” or w/e, without judging whether such decision was bad or a good, and mostly as an excuse to learn about Haiti.

    This decision may have been taken solely on the basis of the number of illegal migrants, and not according to the ideology adopted by these nations(, although these two things are linked since by destroying their countries we’re creating a strong emigration).

    But yes, i easily agree with you that the number of immigrants increased since the adoption of these immigration permits, and hence canceling them could be seen as a “good” thing for these countries. Instead of acknowledging that, i presented(, although not explicitly,) this decision as some kind of punishment towards these countries, sorry for that.

    As a last note : if what matters here is whether this decision is a punishment or not, it should be asked if « The policy, introduced for Venezuelans in October 2022, and for the other three nationalities in January 2023 », was then purposefully directed at haitians in order to punish them for something ? Perhaps not.
    Well, i.d.k., just thought it was weird to see its name alongside the three others, it reminded me that anti-westerners have been quite vocal there these last years, and i only wanted to make a post about it i guess

    edit : At the same time, i wouldn’t be surprised to learn that i’ve made a mistake by agreeing with you that emigration will always weaken the country of origin, you could think that they may come back later with money, contacts, and diplomas, that they’ll send money to their family while working in the u.s., etc. If you have data that clearly illustrate your point i’m interested, from what i gathered it depends on the nature of the country of emigration(, e.g., it was a clear loss for the u.s.s.r. since education was free ?). It doesn’t seem to be something that everyone agrees with.
    Which would mean that stopping this policy could in fact be a punishment instead of a good development(, even if that is still not my personal opinion : i agree with your reasoning that migrants mostly strengthens the country of immigration compared to their country of origin, larger is usually better, the arguments of the anti-immigrants are usually cultural and not economic b.t.w., and they’re often natalists).

    • Finiteacorn@lemmygrad.ml
      3·
      3 months ago

      like i said i dont know that u are wrong just that its not that simple, people are willing to migrate for a reason things are hard and these people generally send back money to their countries for their families so idk whats best and i guess i was a bit snarky about it sorry for that. As for Haiti i think they are in as cover (the humanitarian rhetoric makes more sense if not all the countries are outright enemies of the us) or as a response the other pressures could be they are included primarily to bring more labor. As far as i know a lot of people have been faking requirements to bring people over thru this program since the start so i would guess thats purely an excuse, if it was punishment for what happen in Haiti then its weird the other countries are included, so i think its the pressure from anti immigration people, the number of people who have been migrating is very large, but its not like amerikkkans have ever been above collective punishment.