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    Israel may be an ethnostate, but the actions of its leadership are not representative of the Jewish population as a whole. That is to say, stop disingenuously conflating criticism of a genocidal government with antisemitism.

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      An ‘ethnostate’ significantly more ethnically and religiously diverse than any country in Europe, the Middle East or Asia.

      Japan is 99% ethnic Yamato Japanese. Is Japan an ethnostate? And should they be criticised for this?

      73% of Israelis are Jews, more than half of which are Middle Eastern (Mizrahi) Jews, i.e. zero connection to Europe. The other 27% of Israeli citizens are usually Arabs who are either Muslim, Christian, Druze, Bedouin, Circassians, Baha’i, Armenians, Samaritans, etc. They have the same civil, legal, political and religious rights as Jewish Israelis. They’re represented at every level of government, including in the parliament with an explicitly Arabist political party that has once served in a coalition government.

      And it’s… Israel that’s the ‘ethnostate’. Got it.

      Accusing Jews of being unable to stop themselves from murdering children is unambiguous antisemitism with a long history dating back to the Middle Ages.

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        It’s evident that you’re cherry-picking tangential details to argue against, so let me say this in unambiguous terms:

        Accusing Jews of being unable to stop themselves from murdering children is unambiguous antisemitism with a long history dating back to the Middle Ages.

        People here are not accusing Jews of doing anything. We aren’t using “Israel” as a stand-in or dogwhisle for ethnically Jewish people or the Jewish religion.

        People are accusing the government of Israel of being unwilling to refrain from committing war crimes.

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          Yes, I’m sure it’s a complete coincidence that Israel alone among all the countries in the world, including Syria (where Assad slaughtered more than half a million Syrians), China (engaged in the genocide of the Uyghurs) and Azerbaijan (who literally ethnically cleansed Nagorno-Karabakh of Armenians just last year), is the only one accused of being bloodthirsty child-murderers who regard non-Jewish children as less than human.

          Couldn’t be that a key theme of antisemitism over 2,000 years retains a deep hold on people’s imaginations and biases, influencing their views today even if they aren’t fully cognisant of, could it?

          Nah. It’s just a coincidence that it’s only the Jewish state accused of this.

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            I’m sorry you must have slept through the last decade?

            Those accusations were absolutely there. They just weren’t a conversation because everyone agreed. Why are you defending a genocidal regime?

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              If I believed that Israel was a genocidal “regime” (by which you mean democratic government) I wouldn’t be defending it.

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                So you’re willing to link to the blood libel Wikipedia page but you deny the existence of this genocide. I guess “Never Again” had an asterisk?

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                  Let me give you the full sentence:

                  “Never again will the Jewish people put their safety and security in the hands of non-Jews.”

                  Non-Jews were given a test with the Holocaust and we comprehensively failed.

                  From now on, the Jewish people will only ever trust themselves to protect them. Rightly so, in my view.

                  And yes, I do deny there’s a genocide in Gaza. If they wanted to just eradicate them then this war would have been over many months ago.

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                    Yeah you’re going to need to source that. Never Again is a slogan referring to the Holocaust. At best some people say it means just for Jews, but I think we can all agree genocide is bad, right?