• undergroundoverground@lemmy.world
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    3 months ago

    Well, its good to check the subject of the conversations you’re joining in with, instead of just declaring them to be something they’re not.

    The USSR did not have a Cult of Tradition. The CoT refers to blocking development of understanding, which was the opposite of what the USSR tried to

    1)They literally sent academics to the gulag, simply for being academics: blocking the development of understanding. “The truth had already been spelled out” by Marx. Wrong on all accounts.

    1. again, they sent academics to the gulags simply for thinking differently. You don’t have to like it but its still true.

    2. the USSR was one of the most antisemitic places ever. The Jews were made the scapegoatover and over again. Again, you don’t have to like it but they were facsists with red trim.

    Ur-Fascism derives from individual or social frustration. That is why one of the most typical features of the historical fascism was the appeal to a frustrated middle class

    It doesn’t mean it has to be the middle class.

    1. you had no identity outside of your work and very little else, in the exact way the nazis did. You just don’t like it and that’s not the same thing.

    2. well, that’s because you’ve made up what #7 is. Here’s what it actually involves:

    Thus at the root of the Ur-Fascist psychology there is the obsession with a plot, possibly an international one. The followers must feel besieged. The easiest way to solve the plot is the appeal to xenophobia. But the plot must also come from the inside: Jews are usually the best target because they have the advantage of being at the same time inside and outside.

    So the capitalists outside and “every jew has the potential to be a spy”

    1. the forever war was against capitalism whether you like it or not.

    2. I see, proof for me and wild baseless, declarations for you. Nice one!

    3. dying for the glorious motherland was the highest honour. Sending others to their death was a soviet forte. Their highest honour was to literally become a hero of the soviet union. You can’t reconcile that nonsense with order #227

    4. those were examples, not exclusionary and the idea that the soviet union was less patriarchal than the west is a joke I can’t even begin to take seriously.

    Ur-Fascism speaks Newspeak.

    I’m on about the newspeak they used. Specifically the use of excessively simplified and at the same time incomprehensible language or means of communication. Why, what are you on about?

    So, clearly, 13 out of 14, you just don’t like it. I had to prove you wrong line by line, as you clearly didn’t even read your own link.

    As if you posted a link to an anarchist site, claiming it agreed with you saying the USSR wasn’t facsist. Honestly, the lack of self awareness there is hilarious. Its only topped by you joining in on a conversation between other people and then declaring the conversation to have been about what you want to talk about and not what was already being talked about. You top it off by, again, pretending that the link you clearly didn’t read, from an ideology that could never agree with you on this matter, HAD to be the middle class and not just the “most typical” as their own words say.

    For the third time, can you even hear yourself? I can’t take you seriously after that.

    The USSR was facsist. Youre just going to have to deal with that.