• Cowbee [he/him]@lemmy.ml
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    3 months ago

    That’s a lot of nonsense if you aren’t going to actually analyze anything.

    What is “true” Communism?

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      3 months ago

      😂how to get to that I don’t analyse?

      For me true communism would be living in a group in consensus that nobody owns but the whole group together

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        3 months ago

        😂how to get to that I don’t analyse?

        Because you’re doing a “no true Communism” bit that’s just purity testing, rather than accepting failures of AES as failures of AES and successes of AES as successes of AES.

        For me true communism would be living in a group in consensus that nobody owns but the whole group together

        Cool, so AES is AES and thus true attempts at Communism.

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          3 months ago

          True attempt to achieve communism is not the same as achieving true communism, I’d say…

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            3 months ago

            Why?

            What is the purpose of Communism? Communism is not “enlightenment” it isn’t a religuous status, it’s a process. Working to put theory to practice, and correct as you go, is Communism.

            The achievement of a “Stateless, Classless, Moneyless society,” ie Upper-Stage Communism, as Marx puts it, is a far-future society that has to be worked towards.

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              3 months ago

              I don’t think current “AES” really work in the direction “stateless” nor "classless”. Maybe “moneyless” I could see that.

              But I absolutely agree that the achievement of an upper-stage Communism would be fabulous

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                  3 months ago

                  Because the people in power are not trying to make themselves obsolete and they all have some sort of class system that is actively maintained by the people in power

                  Or in which “AES” is that not the case?

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                    3 months ago

                    The government “collapsing itself” is not Marxist in any way, why would the government shrink itself? Additionally, what do you mean by “actively maintaining a class?” Have you read Marx? That might clear up some of your confusion.

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      3 months ago

      So in my mind extremism is bad either way you go and it is not something that anyone should brush off and say “these left wing extremists are fine” because reality never works out that way. Extremism is monstrous either way.

      I suspect “true” Communism is something you’ll only find on the pages of a book. Because in reality it goes from being a revolution, to a party, to cliques, to a power struggle, to a purge, to a dictator. And people get shot, tortured, beaten and sent to death camps every step of the way.