The media is being paid to just hamper this. Isn’t it strange that no one cares about trump viabiity for the office?
Anyone seriously debating about Biden’s viability already knows Trump would be an awful fucking candidate.
This is like debating the merits of katana vs long words and then wondering why nobody is talking about longbows.
I’m concerned about both Biden and Trump viability in office, as many people are…just because you complain about Biden doesn’t mean you support Trump.
just because you complain about Biden doesn’t mean you support Trump.
No centrist will ever understand this.
From this interview it looks like his motor skills are slow but he is functioning fine.
This whole thing was astroturfed, because trump knows Biden could get some Republicans voting for him. If it wasn’t, we would see similar requests for trump to stop down, but there are crickets, why?
Well, sure some things may look fine now, but when people.get that old it only takes one thing to throw them.off the rails.
Both Biden and Trump are at risk of the same thing because they are both old as fuck.
President is a 4 year job commitment.
When my grandpa was 86 he was perfectly healthy and gardening outdoors and doing living independently in his 2 storey house.
By the time he was 90 he was practically in a wheelchair and confined to one level of his house and unable to go outside to his backyard.
My grandma was at that point from 64-68
People over 55 should not be allowed to run for president.
From this interview it looks like his motor skills are slow but he is functioning fine
For anyone that wants to judge for themselves:
Trump’s cognitive deficiencies are old news, whereas the Biden we’re seeing now is unrecognizable from the last campaign. Given the narrow margin Biden won by last time, that should be concerning to his supporters. You really think this is a media conspiracy?
It’s not. Democrats right now would vote for Biden if he was in a coma. We had the “luxury” of experiencing how each of them run the country.
Biden, unlike other potential democratic candidates is more likely to have some non trump Republicans voting for him.
The fact that media is only talking about Biden without urging trump to step down shows me the whole thing is astroturfed.
This is about the most incorrect analysis I can imagine.
Democrats right now would vote for Biden if he was in a coma
You would. But this core contingent of “vote blue no matter who” people is not large enough to win in the general.
Biden, unlike other potential democratic candidates is more likely to have some non trump Republicans voting for him.
Biden represents the same thing the Democrats have been offering for decades. Anyone who’s a Republican has already seen people like Biden and said, “No thanks, not interested.” Yeah he’s a centrist, but he doesn’t cut across party lines because he doesn’t bring anything new or different to the table.
The fact that media is only talking about Biden without urging trump to step down shows me the whole thing is astroturfed.
This is an absurd conspiracy theory. There have been plenty of high level Democrats calling for him to resign, as well as a significant number of Democratic voters. His debate performance raised concerns about his mental competency that everyone who isn’t self-deluding can see.
It’s completely meaningless to call for your enemy to step down. Why on earth would Trump listen to Democrats and liberal media outlets telling him to step down? What you’re suggesting is stupid and pointless, it accomplishes nothing and serves only to justify your conspiracy theory.
Democrats right now would vote for Biden if he was in a coma
Not like the Republican is an existential threat to American democracy or anything, we can just half ass it…
/s
What’s funny about this is I remember critics saying to give Trump less attention in the news.
The problem is of course the fact that we’ve covered all his scandals from grab her by the pussy to January 6th and his criminal conviction. Newsflash: it doesn’t matter.
So time to try something different.
It does matter, because we have two old people running for the office, and one of them is a convicted felon that should also be in prison.
We won’t be much better if we force Biden out. There isn’t anyone that would be a clear and obvious choice.
Your argument is based on the wishful thinking that the citizenry is rational, informed, and not apathetic. This belief is within the context of there NOT being a massive right-wing propaganda machine that clearly controls the vast majority of the narrative in this country.
Like no shit we all know Trump is bad. Hello? He’s been saying this shit and doing TERRIBLE things for over 8 years now.
The problem is that for whatever reason, none of this shit is sticking, even when the media covers things like January 6th hearings, his criminal indictments, his impeachments, etc…
So while Biden’s numbers continue to decline and Trump widens his lead, are you REALLY going to sit there and say, “hey guys don’t worry, just one more scandal and this time we got him!”?
So naturally since the cult isn’t changing, we must change ourselves to improve our odds.
We won’t be much better if we force Biden out.
But we will be better.
There isn’t anyone that would be a clear and obvious choice.
The party doesn’t nurture new talent because they’re scared of moving to the left. Guess we gotta stick with the guy who party leadership wants no matter what!
They already did the primaries. Whoever they choose after Biden, it won’t be a democratic choice. That’s going to lose points no matter who they nominate. Just about the only person who could do better in the general election than Biden right now is Bernie, and he’s already said he’s too old for this and endorsed Biden.
They already did the primaries.
The ones where the only candidate to appear on all the ballots was Biden? Yeah, great “primaries”. You got the candidate you want and everyone else can go to hell. Well, when he loses to Trump, you’ll be right there with me.
It’s really fun watching liberals devolve into MAGA-like conspiracies about the news media. Super good sign for the health of the party.
… what about… ism…
A smart move on Biden’s part. A neurological evaluation isn’t a test that is going to come back with a positive or a negative. No matter who took the test, there would be a wealth of statistics for dishonest actors to distort.
I suppose he could take a simplified screening test like Trump did, but that was not done by an independent neurologist.
A smart move on Biden’s part.
I agree. You don’t concede things like this. And honestly until last Thursday, it wasn’t Biden’s mental faculties that had him in the doghouse, it was his political ones.
I mean - I’d prefer he just stepped back voluntarily but you’re entirely correct that a neurological test is nothing but a trap. If he submitted to one fox would have a panel of dishonest doctors ready to pick it apart.
I just want to beat the Republicans and Trump. Biden is certainly a liability in that regard, but replacing him might be worse. Any replacement would almost certainly be another establishment lackey, and Biden has surprisingly been the best establishment president we could hope for. I think he is still very capable of being president, but I don’t know that he is capable of campaigning for president.
Also there’s no pleasing the cult. It’ll be faked, tampered with, or whatever, but in no case would anyone go “okay, now I’m satisfied and reassured.”
Honestly at this point the DNC can pick someone - anyone - and I’d be fine with it.
Anyone? Clinton? Manchin? Sinema?
Dwayne “The Rock” Johnson.
Anyone remember the movie Wag the Dog? The folksy saying “you don’t swich horses midstream” was the literal campaign message?
Maybe the Lord Almighty needs to step in and exercise His ultimate veto…
why would god off Biden but not Trump?
also, what kind of asshole did Er have to be, to get god’s special attention? (Gen 38, the asshole that god smote because “reasons”, leading to the story of Judah and Tamar… and also most famously the horribly-out-of-context justification for banning contraceptives.)
why would god off Biden but not Trump?
Because he’s a petty, spiteful, vengeful ghost who could have made a universe free from suffering and chose not to.
Pretty sure they were simply referring to Biden’s repeated insistence that if “the Lord Almighty” came down and told him to step down, he would do so.
The Lord Almighty is not coming down
The year is young Papa Joe.
Stephanopoulos: Would you undergo an independent medical evaluation that included cognitive tests
Biden: I undergo that every day.
Yea but are you passing?
Holy fuck, he managed to pass bills that others failed, despite Republicans trying to block everything. He reunited the West and NATO after his predecessor severely weakened us. We got back from the pandemic that the orange boofon mishandled, with record number in jobs, lost unemployment.
Yes he is passing, and he can govern.
We are taking about this after one debate, where the fat ass was actually speaking nonsense.
Edit: also after watching the full interview (I recommend it) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k8LoAsHz-Mc they said they also offered similar interview to Trump and he refused it all together. The ones that he attended were heavily edited. It is crazy it’s like living in an opposite world.
Yeah and I mean, I don’t see anyone saying he didn’t do a lot of good things over the past 4 years. Those are also the same points he kept repeating ad nauseam in this interview, but the problem is, that’s not the issue on everyone’s mind right now, and that’s not what really matters here.
What matters is, is he physically and mentally fit to continue doing that for another 4 years? And unfortunately, even if the answer is a firm ‘Yes’, he still needs to demonstrate that it’s the case, and convince all of his potential voters that it’s the case, which re-stating past successes is not doing.
Trump wants him gone, because Republicans (not maga ones, but the ones that call themselves “independents”) are more likely to vote for him than anyone else the democratic party puts up.
In the interview he is not a fast talker (he never was, he has a speech impediment since childhood) but what he is saying actually makes sense unlike the far guy.
Even during the debate, while trump appears to talk smoothly, but if you actually listened and trying to understand what he said it was just rambling that was getting worse as the debate continued. He wasn’t even responding to questions asked.
I know why he refused to do this interview as well, because he would have to answer questions and people could easily compare their responses.
Yes, Biden isn’t young, but the fact that media pushing on him and ignoring obvious signs of dementia on Trump side tells me that this whole thing is astroturfed.
He could govern. No sane person can deny that Biden is not as mentally acute as he was four years ago.
Sure, he is 3 years older than trump, but at last he is not afraid to rely on experts in his administration. Unlike the previous guy who fired everyone and decided to run the country by himself and got us into a pandemic that we had not experienced for 100 years.
4 or of 5 biggest protests in US history happened during trump. We damaged our relationship with allies, NATO was on the brink of breaking.
Everyone also talked about economy being great under trump, but after mid 2018 we started having crashes, and looked like might get recession. And in 2020 economy fell for obvious reasons.
Americans need to support Joe Biden and Ranked choice.
I’m still just amazed that we’re in a place where one bad debate means we talk about nothing but changing candidates for a week and counting, but dozens of criminal felony convictions is just something we roll with.
Full interview:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k8LoAsHz-Mc
Part from the article is about 8 minutes in, but it’s worth watching the whole interview
This is really hard to watch. He keeps dodging the questions, and he really comes across like he just has no awareness of what’s actually going on in his own country.
George keeps asking very pointed questions like “Do you think you have the mental capacity to do this job for another four years?” and Biden just keeps re-stating things he’s done for the last 4 years. George asks the titular “Would you have an independent analysis done, etc.”, and Biden keeps dodging the question with, “I have that evaluation every day [because I make difficult decisions]”.
He doesn’t seem to comprehend that he is likely to lose this election if he doesn’t change peoples’ minds about his mental fitness, and when offered the opportunity to prove that he’s not suffering from mental decline, he brushes it off. He says he’s going to keep running because he knows what’s best for the country, as if he thinks it’s a foregone conclusion that if he runs, he’ll win.
He just keeps going back to how much Trump lies, and how awful Trump is, rather than trying to address the concern that he’s not fit to oppose Trump.
Edit: Best Biden moment in the whole thing. “Sure [I’ve had time to challenge Trump], but I’ve also been doing a whole lot of other things, like wars around the world[…]”
It’s really coming across as stubborn arrogance. I make the decisions and I’ve proven to myself I’m fit, so you all have to just get in line. It’s true he has almost all the power to make this choice, but he doesn’t seem to get that if he doesn’t justify it to the people he’s going to keep losing support and then lose the election.
This is stupid thing to request, because such test will not provide a true/false response but a bunch of indicators. And with disinformation it will just create its own negative interpretation no matter what.
Just look at how “experts” talk about covid vaccines.
Why are you replying to me?
I’m saying that the test won’t conclude anything in the eyes of the public, so it is a pointless request.
What test? You’re just butting in with an argument that wasn’t present in this comment thread. If you want to just make a comment about the post title, make it top-level on the post itself.
I’m about 20 minutes in.
This is like, its almost more painful than the debate. This entire section on his polling is like… I can’t even speak to how beyond the pale this is.
I think this interview hurt him. He not only is doubling down on his clearly floundering campaign, but very very detached from the political reality around him.
I don’t know he pulls out of this tailspin if every time he gets in front of a camera he makes the situation worse.
This is the best summary I could come up with:
MADISON, Wis. (AP) — President Joe Biden, fighting to save his endangered reelection effort, used a highly anticipated TV interview Friday to repeatedly reject taking an independent medical evaluation that would show voters he is up for serving another term in office while blaming his disastrous debate performance on a “bad episode” and saying there were “no indications of any serious condition.”
The 81-year-old Biden made it through the 22-minute interview without any major blunders that would inflict further damage to his imperiled candidacy, but it appeared unlikely to fully tamp down concerns about his age and fitness for another four years and his ability to defeat Donald Trump in November.
While private angst among Democratic lawmakers, donors and strategists has been running deep since the debate, most in the party have held public fire as they wait to see if the president can restore confidence with his weekend travel and his handling of the interview.
To that end, Sen. Mark Warner reached out to fellow senators throughout this week to discuss whether to ask Biden to exit the race, according to three people familiar with the effort who requested anonymity to talk about private conversations.
The ubiquitous presence of Hunter Biden in the West Wing since the debate has become an uncomfortable dynamic for many staffers, according to two Democrats close to the White House who requested anonymity to discuss the sensitive matter.
Associated Press writers Todd Richmond in Madison, Joey Cappelletti in Saugatuck, Michigan, Dylan Lovan in Louisville, Kentucky, and Will Weissert, Zeke Miller, Mary Clare Jalonick, Aamer Madhani, Lisa Mascaro and Josh Boak in Washington contributed to this report.
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So Lemmy is going to upvote everything pro-Biden and downvote everything anti-Biden. Two weeks ago you fucks were screaming about freeing Palestine.
There’s lots of different people with different opinions here. If you expect to get the same response from different people that is pretty odd.
That hasn’t been my impression of Lemmy at all; it’s mostly an echo chamber in here. One minute everyone is accusing Biden of supporting a genocide, the next minute I’m hearing that we have to vote for Biden to save democracy. But would it really be that hard to get someone to replace him?
How is it that you are presenting different viewpoints as evidence of an echo chamber? That sounds like evidence that it isn’t to me. It just seems like you want it to be one so you’re forcing that conclusion.
Someone getting downvoted into oblivion for daring to speak up is hardly the slam dunk you think it is. There are exceptions to the rule.
Two weeks ago, they were screaming that anyone who doesn’t love the Biden/Netanyahu genocide wants Trump to win.
Wait so you’re telling me that different people have different opinions? Holy shit what a concept!
They’ve been doing that for months and then banning people when they still get to the top
the cannabis consume is tested by an independent laboratory
the president should be held to the same standards
the cannabis consume is tested by an independent laboratory
the president should be held to the same standards
Instructions unclear. It sounds like you just wrote a sequel to “How High”.
